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World’s No 1 poker player wins $15 m in two nights - but casino REFUSES 2 pay him

Just sounds like he was lucky enough to hit a streak and then smart enough to not push it.
 
Typical casino thought process. If ivey lost that amount could he refuse to pay them and say am investigation is needed?
 
Per the article:

"When these cards appeared, his companion asked for them to be rotated 180 degrees, pretending that Mr Ivey was superstitious. As this appeared to give him no advantage, the dealer acquiesced. The rotated cards were returned to the shoe and were easily recognised by the player as different when they were eventually re-dealt, giving him a strong edge. At first, his losses were heading towards £500,000 but he recovered, and at the end of the first night was £2.3 million up. He is also thought to have persuaded the casino not to destroy the cards at the end of each session, which is normal practice."

If that's true, he definitely cheated. I mean maybe hey good for him, but it was cheating. Maybe he should have stopped at one night and he'd have gotten away with it. Kind of greedy.
 
tracerbullet said:
Per the article:

"When these cards appeared, his companion asked for them to be rotated 180 degrees, pretending that Mr Ivey was superstitious. As this appeared to give him no advantage, the dealer acquiesced. The rotated cards were returned to the shoe and were easily recognised by the player as different when they were eventually re-dealt, giving him a strong edge. At first, his losses were heading towards £500,000 but he recovered, and at the end of the first night was £2.3 million up. He is also thought to have persuaded the casino not to destroy the cards at the end of each session, which is normal practice."

If that's true, he definitely cheated. I mean maybe hey good for him, but it was cheating. Maybe he should have stopped at one night and he'd have gotten away with it. Kind of greedy.
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WTF? Every deck of cards I have looked at in my life were a mirror image and would look exactly the same on a 180 degree rotate. How in the world would a modern casino not have the same?😕
 
So, the cards were faulty. IIRC, most casinos have a rule: if you win because of faulty machinery, etc., you don't win.
 
Well, if second story is true, then Ivey was deceitful in his actions, "superstitious". Though still I'd expect he's entitled to winnings.

I don't see the motivation for Ivey to do this. He is worth over 100 million. How hot was his Asian companion? Was this some ultimatum from her before she'd drive his face with her cooter?
 
I don't understand the part of the graphic that explains why the cards were "Rogue".

Like...I see the difference between the two patterns....but, how could somebody utilize that pattern to cheat?

If the whole deck was messed up...then the backs of all the cards would still look the same, they just have the wrong diamond pattern.
 
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Vic Vega said:
Cheating not found.

Pay the man.

If this casino doesn't pay they can expect other's to avoid them.
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Not that simple, for every player who thinks Ivey didn't cheat there's one who thinks he was cheating. Doubtful the ones who thought he cheated would play there again. None of the $15 million is the casinos here, it's all others players money. I've played hundreds of hours of Poker at casinos, and in situations like this which are questionable. The house has to be very cautious because no matter which way they go someone might be very pissed off and never play there again.

I'm just assuming here, but I bet a good number of people who lost to Ivey over these 2 days are already bitching that they want their money back. Either way the casino ends up going here they're probably going to lose some regulars.
 
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I'd ask WTH Ivey was thinking risking his rep when he's already won 10's of millions, but in retrospect, Iveys rep is already tarnished and he's universally despised by most in his field.
 
SheHateMe said:
Like...I see the difference between the two patterns....but, how could somebody utilize that pattern to cheat?

If the whole deck was messed up...then the backs of all the cards would still look the same, they just have the wrong diamond pattern.
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it's not that the pattern is 'wrong', it's that it's asymmetrical, so if a card is rotated, you can identify that card later.

he had winning cards rotated, then when they came back through, he could spot them and bet on them
 
The technique has echoes of Kaleidoscope, a 1966 film starring Warren Beatty as a playboy who breaks into a card manufacturer to mark the cards and then beat the bank at every European casino.
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On a side note, has anyone seen this movie? Sounds interesting.
 
Conscript said:
I'd ask WTH Ivey was thinking risking his rep when he's already won 10's of millions, but in retrospect, Iveys rep is already tarnished and he's universally despised by most in his field.
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I used to follow poker, but don't anymore. Why is he despised?
 
QueBert said:
I'm just assuming here, but I bet a good number of people who lost to Ivey over these 2 days are already bitching that they want their money back. Either way the casino ends up going here they're probably going to lose some regulars.
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No one lost money to Ivey except the house, he was the only person playing.
 
I don't understand what it gets you in poker, if the card is not symmetrical. Or are they talking about the face-down side of the cards?
 
Wow. Nobody actually read the article. LOL

1) He wasn't playing poker against other players! This is a game you play against the house like blackjack.

2)The pattern on the cards is identical and symmetrical, however this batch of cards was not cut properly yielding them *asymmetrical*. It was very difficult to detect. He asked the dealer to rotate cards of a specific value so he could recognize them the second time around.

I would say he took advantage of the casino's mistake rather than saying he 'cheated'.

Question: You recognize a slot machine is paying out more than it should. Is it cheating to continue playing on the broken machine?
 
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