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Workstation CPU picking

tential

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I need help picking out a workstation CPU. It's for an architect grad. He uses CAD and other programs of that nature. I can get a full program list if that will help.

My choices were this:
3930k - 6 cores which I assume all of the programs he uses are heavily multithreaded from the reading I've done.
4770k - Cheap option since you can usually pick it up at Microcenter for real cheap. Also uses a cheaper board.

Now his local shop picked out the Ivybridge-E Quadcore. Is there any reason you'd really want that? I assume Overclocking, but in that case you could get a 3770k and hit similar levels right? What are the benefits of the 4820k? More PCIe lanes? Quad channel memory(Would this help in the programs he is using though?)

Any help would be great thanks!
 
knowing the budget is perhaps the most important part in starting a build.
Generally speaking any of those CPUs you listed should be fine for CAD.
 
autocad photoshop illustrator sketchup revit archicad finalcutpro
all adobe products.

That's what he uses.

I thought that a 4930k/3930k would be overboard for it. The performance gains are like 10%-20% in certain instances but over the 4770k, if I can pick it up at $200, I didn't really think it'd be a big deal.

Currently though my think is he has been told to use the 4820k, and I really didn't think that was a good choice at all considering the 4770k is pretty much the same thing with less PCIe lanes and less Memory bandwidth. He wouldn't be upgrading either to Haswell-E or anything this is it for a bit. So that's why I'm wondering? 4820k would make more sense if he had a plan on upgrading to a later extreme edition model but if he isn't, isn't hte 4770k the better choice considering 2011 mobos aren't cheap?
 
autocad photoshop illustrator sketchup revit archicad finalcutpro
all adobe products.

That's what he uses.

I thought that a 4930k/3930k would be overboard for it. The performance gains are like 10%-20% in certain instances but over the 4770k, if I can pick it up at $200, I didn't really think it'd be a big deal.

Currently though my think is he has been told to use the 4820k, and I really didn't think that was a good choice at all considering the 4770k is pretty much the same thing with less PCIe lanes and less Memory bandwidth. He wouldn't be upgrading either to Haswell-E or anything this is it for a bit. So that's why I'm wondering? 4820k would make more sense if he had a plan on upgrading to a later extreme edition model but if he isn't, isn't hte 4770k the better choice considering 2011 mobos aren't cheap?

Final Cut Pro? Are you making a hackintosh for him? If so, you'll want to look here as well
 
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If he's using the machine to seriously make a living, I'd buy a prebuilt and get tech support. If he's not building the machine for himself then he won't be able to fix it himself if/when something goes wrong. Spend the money to do it right, and get a professionally put together workstation with well designed and integrated cooling and system designs. The custom motherboard top end workstations from Dell and HP can give a much better solution than anything bodged together on an ATX platform- and the new Mac Pro has amazingly well designed cooling systems, if you don't mind sacrificing upgradeability.

EDIT: And don't even joke about overclocking. If this is his livelihood, don't run the risk of silent data corruption from a seemingly "stable" overclock. He's designing buildings, not playing Battlefield 4, don't mess around with that nonsense.
 
Xeon E3-1245 V3 is the more sensible choice as a workstation CPU with an IGP. Sure, you could forgo the IGP with 12x0, but if the discrete card dies or he simply doesn't use that GPU, he's gonna have lots of lost time.

Also, depending on his work, he might want to consider ECC RAM and a suitable motherboard to boot.

Final Cut Pro is Mac only program though. I think he's stuck with Apple unless you go with the Hackintosh route someone pointed out.
 
Get the 4770k. Cheaper and maybe faster because of the better single threaded performance. I'm not the most experienced with Autodesk products, but Solidworks part rebuilds are single threaded. More cores don't help. Autodesk may also have certain features that are single threaded in nature.
 
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Get the 4770k. Cheaper and maybe faster because of the better single threaded performance. I'm not the most experienced with Autodesk products, but Solidworks part rebuilds are single threaded. More cores don't help. Autodesk may also have certain features that are single threaded in nature.

4770K makes no sense. the 4770 does however. Also i agree with OP that a 4-core ivy-bridge E is kind of idiotic. If you go the expensive route of lga2011, then get a hexa-core.
 
Xeon E3-1245 V3 is the more sensible choice as a workstation CPU with an IGP. Sure, you could forgo the IGP with 12x0, but if the discrete card dies or he simply doesn't use that GPU, he's gonna have lots of lost time.

Also, depending on his work, he might want to consider ECC RAM and a suitable motherboard to boot.

Final Cut Pro is Mac only program though. I think he's stuck with Apple unless you go with the Hackintosh route someone pointed out.

I think he has a Mac to do Final Cut Pro. I just made him list all of his programs. I think he'll switch between his Max and his Windows or something.

I want to go with a Xeon but it was just too expensive and I don't understand the benefits of ECC Ram lol(Ya.. been here all this time and know nothing of workstations).

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Also, I had thought of the 4770k to squeeze performance out but you're right. Should just go with the 4770 and be safe.
 
xeon's dont need to be expensive... we're not talking about E5 2 socket models.

E3-1245 v3 gives you 4 cores/ 8 threads and works with 1150 socket motherboards (same as i7-4770).
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78581/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v3-Family?q=E3

I don't know of any consumer motherboards that support ECC RAM though, so while you may still be able to find a cheaper Xeon than a reasonably similar i7, you'll need to pay for a different motherboard (typically with the C2xx chipsets) to get ECC RAM.
 
My son does CAD, including revit. It can use all the horsepower you can get, so a 4930k is NOT overkill. Get at least 16 gig memory (quad channel config). SSD can't hurt, but also need a storage drive. Don't skimp on the parts, especially since you will be 10k into the software (at least).

As for the suggestion on prebuilt, it will be hard to find anything as good as you can buid, if you get the right parts. Example: ever seen a prebuilt with a PSU as good as a Corsair AX860i for example ? doesn't exist.Ever seen a HSF as good as a Megahalem ? doesn't exist. My son's E5520 has that cooler. His HSF fan died. He didn't even know it, as without a fan it was only 70f during normal heavy use.
 
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I need help picking out a workstation CPU. It's for an architect grad. He uses CAD and other programs of that nature. I can get a full program list if that will help.

My choices were this:
3930k - 6 cores which I assume all of the programs he uses are heavily multithreaded from the reading I've done.
4770k - Cheap option since you can usually pick it up at Microcenter for real cheap. Also uses a cheaper board.

Now his local shop picked out the Ivybridge-E Quadcore. Is there any reason you'd really want that? I assume Overclocking, but in that case you could get a 3770k and hit similar levels right? What are the benefits of the 4820k? More PCIe lanes? Quad channel memory(Would this help in the programs he is using though?)

Any help would be great thanks!

This question is right up my alley as I'm a CAD / BIM Manager for a large architectural firm that uses Revit / AutoCAD / 3Ds Max. The short answer is: get all the horsepower you can afford.

The different programs have different requirement. Revit and CAD are primarily single threaded and want clock speed. An overclocked 4770K will outperform a stock 6 core IB-E Extreme CPU in most tasks. Contrary to common wisdom, these two programs DO NOT require a super high powered graphics card in a typical production environment. Unless you're doing a lot of rendering in Revit with textures and lighting, a moderate graphics card is plenty. Nvidia Quadro is preferred but not necessary (better drivers).

The game changes when you start doing renderings in Revit/ 3Ds Max / Rhino. Rendering can use as many cores as you can throw at it. Super high quality renderings can still take hours even on top hardware, so if you're doing a lot of this then 6+ cores will be wanted. This work does required better graphics cards to maintain decent frame rates in real time previews. You'll want something like a Quadro K4000 or better ($700-800) if you do LOTS of rendering. I've never tried a Geforce series card in this software so I can't comment on its performance.

As for the rest, 16GB of RAM should be sufficient unless working on ginormous models (like 200,000 square foot office facilities). You will want an SSD for sure as Revit files can get very large. And if you're spending this kind of cash there is no reason not to with today's prices.

My company's current hardware for our power users is the Boxx 4920 Extreme workstation. These have overclocked 6-core Sandy Bridge Extreme processors at 4.5ghz, 32GB RAM, Quadro 4000 vid cards, 240gb Intel 520 SSD. They were the best compromise of single threaded performance for Revit and multi-core rendering performance. These workstations were our first experience with overclocked systems, and while they are blazing fast the reliability has been less than stellar. Every component in these stations is cream of the crop when they were configured. We've had quite a few issues related to the overclocking, and several are at Boxx for warranty work as I type this (we have about 40 stations). We've had more of them go down in the first 6 months of ownership than we had with our previous HP workstations in their entire lifecycle.
 
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An LGA1150 Quad+HT offers good value. No reason not to go Xeon, really.
An LGA2011 hex+HT offers some extra performance.
An IB LGA 2011 quad is just throwing away money, unless they think they need 64+GB RAM.

AutoCAD could practically run on a toaster, for architect use, so long as there's enough RAM. But everything else listed will perform better with a faster CPU, more cores, HT, and a better GPU.

Revit and 3DS, FI, will be nicer to use with a Quadro than IGP.

If budget is high, just get a prebuilt, maybe doing your own RAM and drive upgrades (easy enough, if you purchase with OS media).
 
If the budget can fit 2011, go 2011.
50% more cores and double the memory really help in getting those renderings done from one day to the next, especially if there's a bunch of details and ray tracing going on, to make the stuff presentable to a client.
My brother is currently an architecture student, and having to wait 24-72 hours for renderings on his 3570K is annyoing, plus he ran out of RAM (32GB) on a render a few days back, which obviously stalled the whole thing. Might have been a bug in whatever software he was using, I'm not on site to determine exactly what happens.

If this is srs bsns, then an E5-Xeon on a UP 60x board with ECC is the way to go, especially for the rendering parts. But for architexture, that's arguably not necessary, as most of the CPU-time is spent pretty painting results, as opposed to calculating forces.
 
As for the suggestion on prebuilt, it will be hard to find anything as good as you can buid, if you get the right parts. Example: ever seen a prebuilt with a PSU as good as a Corsair AX860i for example ? doesn't exist.Ever seen a HSF as good as a Megahalem ? doesn't exist. My son's E5520 has that cooler. His HSF fan died. He didn't even know it, as without a fan it was only 70f during normal heavy use.

Ever seen a homemade PC with redundant PSUs, custom motherboard layout to maximise cooling for 260W of CPU, a RAID array mounted behind the motherboard, split layout of PCIe sockets to spread the heat of multiple GPUs and maximise the number of lanes from the sockets used, integrated cooling ducts for the RAM so that they don't get heated by CPU exhausts? A real high end workstation is very different to a crummy prebuilt ATX econobox. Take a look at a top end Dell or HP workstation some time and see what I mean.
 
Ever seen a homemade PC with redundant PSUs, custom motherboard layout to maximise cooling for 260W of CPU, a RAID array mounted behind the motherboard, split layout of PCIe sockets to spread the heat of multiple GPUs and maximise the number of lanes from the sockets used, integrated cooling ducts for the RAM so that they don't get heated by CPU exhausts? A real high end workstation is very different to a crummy prebuilt ATX econobox. Take a look at a top end Dell or HP workstation some time and see what I mean.

Many probably have never seen a high-end workstation and assume it's just a typical PC with a Quattro graphics card and extra RAM.
 
Ever seen a homemade PC with redundant PSUs, custom motherboard layout to maximise cooling for 260W of CPU, a RAID array mounted behind the motherboard, split layout of PCIe sockets to spread the heat of multiple GPUs and maximise the number of lanes from the sockets used, integrated cooling ducts for the RAM so that they don't get heated by CPU exhausts? A real high end workstation is very different to a crummy prebuilt ATX econobox. Take a look at a top end Dell or HP workstation some time and see what I mean.
Could you link to one ? I tried, and was not impressed with what I saw. Also, even with redundant PSU's they seem to fail more than good aftermarket (at least from what my data center keeps telling me). And the HSF's are not great, so when the fan fails, they just shut down. I have 2 servers that have been up 24/7@100% for over 2 years now. (24 cores, and 24 threads) I will hold them up against any workstation.
 
Thanks for the help guys. Especially on which programs use Quadro. I think I convinced him not to get a 4820k. The worst part is if you do a google search on it it's not helpful at all. Read a 6 page thread over at some other forum and it was literally 50% split except the people advocating for the 4820k just said they watned it and put no reason as to why they would choose it over the 4770k. Except of course quoting MORE PCI E LANES!!!!

He had a PC costing about 1500+.

I got him down to around 800 with the same performance, and he was able to pick up the Quadro K4000 if needed. Hopefully he doesn't get his local shop to do it anyway. They gouged him 300+ on parts alone, 150 for installation, even hit him with an extra $50 for Windows 8.

Running a local PC shop is like taking candy from babies but it's just so mean 🙁
 
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