Working the SSI/umemployment system.

[highland145]

Just took an application on a 22 year old. Her income is federal disability (SSI) and UNEMPLOYMENT. WTF? Asked her how she could draw both. If you can't work for a medical reason, you can't draw unemployment. You get SSI because of some disability. You can earn a limited amount of $$ while drawing SSI. So she earns her max $$, quits her job, waits her penalty period and draws both checks. I am stunned.

Believe I'll be making inquires about this.

 

[JS80]

But pelosi said unemployment checks is the fastest way to create jobs! http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-unemployment-checks-fastest-way-to-create-jobs/

 

[Wyndru]

Hehe, some people milk the system so bad. I know 3 people on it, getting all of the extensions, and they talk about it like they are proud of it. My cousin has been getting unemployment checks for like 3 years now. Supposedly because his company left the country, he gets some kind of extra long benefit. I didn't believe him until he had me watch him submit his weekly unemployment claim.

He also works under the table with a landscaping company, and had a giant severance when he got laid off.

 

[waggy]

well. you are allowed to earn something like $500 a month (heard they raised it though) on SSI. so its possible he was laid off/fired from that job.

 

[spidey07]

You're surprised by this? There are 10s of millions of people milking the system. Technically they're playing by the rules. Who says money isn't free?

 

[Acanthus]

You're surprised by this? There are 10s of millions of people milking the system. Technically they're playing by the rules. Who says money isn't free?

35% of the country is on welfare right now (way higher than normal, but we can use these numbers)

That is about 100,000,000 americans on "the system"

You are suggesting that more than 20% of those people abuse the system?

I would think it is far less than that claim.

By the way, if she admitted this to you, turn her in for Fraud, OP.

 

[JEDI]

Just took an application on a 22 year old. Her income is federal disability (SSI) and UNEMPLOYMENT. WTF? Asked her how she could draw both. If you can't work for a medical reason, you can't draw unemployment. You get SSI because of some disability. You can earn a limited amount of $$ while drawing SSI. So she earns her max $$, quits her job, waits her penalty period and draws both checks. I am stunned.

Believe I'll be making inquires about this.

how can u quit your job and get unemployment?

whats the penalty period for?

 

[Jeff7]

Of course, those are the small-time workers of the system - then you've got those at the top who work the system over for millions of dollars or more, just for themselves, and in the process, they screw over many other people.

But we can't go after those noble souls, because that would be class warfare. :awe:

 

[spidey07]

35% of the country is on welfare right now (way higher than normal, but we can use these numbers)

That is about 100,000,000 americans on "the system"

You are suggesting that more than 20% of those people abuse the system?

I would think it is far less than that claim.

By the way, if she admitted this to you, turn her in for Fraud, OP.

I was talking more about gaming the various entitlement programs to their advantage, combining them, meeting the mandatory limits, etc to essentially have a pretty nice life without working or working a short period of time to reset the timers. While you and I are working every single day they are attending a community assistance seminar on how to get the gubment money and what they have to do to meet it.

They have it all figured out. I just couldn't live that way as stealing is not in my nature.

 

[mizzou]

It would be really easy to find people and remove people who abuse the system if government would simply hire employees and supervisors who give a damn

 

[pontifex]

how can u quit your job and get unemployment?

whats the penalty period for?

Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me

 

[Acanthus]

I was talking more about gaming the various entitlement programs to their advantage, combining them, meeting the mandatory limits, etc to essentially have a pretty nice life without working or working a short period of time to reset the timers. While you and I are working every single day they are attending a community assistance seminar on how to get the gubment money and what they have to do to meet it.

They have it all figured out. I just couldn't live that way as stealing is not in my nature.

You could simply reform the system. Add some auditors that look for abusers and kick them off.

 

[Strk]

Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me

It can happen at my job if you do something that can get you fired and say you'll quite, but we're union, so it's usually pretty hard to fire the person

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just took an application on a 22 year old. Her income is federal disability (SSI) and UNEMPLOYMENT. WTF? Asked her how she could draw both. If you can't work for a medical reason, you can't draw unemployment. You get SSI because of some disability. You can earn a limited amount of $$ while drawing SSI. So she earns her max $$, quits her job, waits her penalty period and draws both checks. I am stunned.

Believe I'll be making inquires about this.

I have a friend who was working and she was taking anti psychotic meds and anti- depression meds, one day at work she started having probelms with her meds.
The company where she had been working fired her because they said she did not tell them about her issues.

Her Psychiatrist helped her fill out the paperwork and she start recieving SSI Disability .....which is totally different from SS.....

She also was eligible for unemployment due to the fact she paid into it.

She was told by her Social security Disability representative that collecting both was perfectly legal!!

 

[Wheezer]

You forgot to mention the welfare benefits she is receiving also.

Triple Dip!

 

[Zebo]

My drug addict bro does this and worse. Sell drugs (who knows what else, name it) AND gets unemployment and SSI for bipolar and illegally lives with a section 8 mama so rent free. They live alight when he's not in jail.

 

[highland145]

how can u quit your job and get unemployment?

whats the penalty period for?

Called the wife. She said you couldn't draw if you "quit" but I'm sure there is a wink and nod going on here.

Also, it's 2 different programs, federal and a state. So "technically" there's not a problem. I'll check in to it more today.

 

[highland145]

They have it all figured out. I just couldn't live that way as stealing is not in my nature.

We'd starve to death before we could.

Zebo,
My drug addict bro does this and worse. Sell drugs (who knows what else, name it) AND gets unemployment and SSI for bipolar and illegally lives with a section 8 mama so rent free. They live alight when he's not in jail.

I see this quite often. Another wink and nod going on. There are drugs for bipolar. Never understood how this a disability.

 

[Zebo]

Well he worked for me years ago and even on lithium he freak the fuck out. Its probably legit but still bullets/ropes are cheaper like in the old days

 

[Freejack2]

What state do you live in that people can collect unemployment after quitting?

In New York the only way you get unemployment is if you were fired for a reason that's not your fault and your former employer approves it. Seeing as the employer has to pay for the unemployment, most will find any way to make sure the ex-employee does not collect unemployment. "We are firing him because he was late once 6 months ago."

 

[highland145]

What state do you live in that people can collect unemployment after quitting?

In New York the only way you get unemployment is if you were fired for a reason that's not your fault and your former employer approves it. Seeing as the employer has to pay for the unemployment, most will find any way to make sure the ex-employee does not collect unemployment. "We are firing him because he was late once 6 months ago."

S.C. I posted above, I think there's some underhandedness going on. If you're fired, there's a 16 week wait period, iirc.

The actual amount I pay in unemployment ins to the state is minimal. $220 at mid year. If I had had any claims, my rate would go up but I don't know how much.

 

[nanette1985]

You can be disabled and still work. If you lose that job, you can get unemployment. Doesn't affect any disability income you are getting.

You guys should thank the gods that you aren't disabled. It's a terrible system to have to deal with, and the prejudice against the disabled is intense.

 

[Zebo]

You can be disabled and still work. If you lose that job, you can get unemployment. Doesn't affect any disability income you are getting.

You guys should thank the gods that you aren't disabled. It's a terrible system to have to deal with, and the prejudice against the disabled is intense.

Yup - Truly disabled should get it. Problem is back and mental can be acted and is which make it tougher for people truly disabled. Longer waits and social stigma aint cool not to mention disability itself.

 

[boomerang]

Nothing new here. Abuse of systems like these has been going on since their inception. There are always people out to game a system. What's important is to try to minimize that. Easier said than done.

Politicians are the biggest abusers. They use these programs to garner votes. Once the corruption gets to an unsustainable level, it will self-correct. I don't think the results are going to be neat and tidy though. Really messy would be my guess.

 

[Modelworks]

People that abuse the system make the people who do need it look bad. I don't look down on anyone for getting government assistance as long as they are not abusing it . I know a lot of people that get help but they need it.

Social Security disability has a program called ticket to work. The program lets people who are disabled but considering going back to work try it out and see if they are able to hold a job. They are allowed 9 months of paid income before they loose their check. The reason they do not just cut off the check is because it can take months to get it back should the person not be able to work.

I know some think people on disability have it easy, but ask yourself if you can live off $12k a year . That is what one person I know gets. They get $650 Social Security. $200 rental assistance. $100 medical assistance each month and they do not even qualify for food or ebt cards. The ones who rack up the money are ones with 3 or 4 kids because they get paid per child.




http://www.ssa.gov/work/

The trial work period continues until you accumulate nine months (not necessarily consecutive) in which you perform what we call “services” within a rolling 60-month period. We consider your work to be “services” if you earn more than $700 a month in 2009. For 2008, this amount was $670. After the trial work period ends, your benefits will stop for the months your earnings are at a level we consider "substantial" -- currently $980 in 2009. For 2008, this amount was $940. Different amounts apply to people who are disabled because of blindness. The monthly SGA amount for statutorily blind individuals for 2008 is $1,640