woot! got a indoor swimming pool now! down in the basement!

waggy

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the sump pump died. my basement has 4-5 inches of water. sigh

i was down there tuseday to put salt int he softner and it was bone dry and running.

anyone have any idea if they are hard to replace? heh

update:

ugh man went to Farm and Fleet. Got a 1/2 HP pump ($99), a 12 volt backup ($139), a battery for backup ($79), assorted PVC pipe, alarm system and tax's came to around $400 sigh. ohwell.

had to get since the pump i had as backup died also. now i have NO pump at all. bah!
 

MichaelD

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Hard to replace? No. Difficult to replace when the basement is flooded? Yep. You'll need to rent a sump pump with enough hose to reach outside and pump the basement dry, first.

I know sump pumps are rated at either GPM or GPH, but I'm not sure how you calculate what size you need.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Hard to replace? No. Difficult to replace when the basement is flooded? Yep. You'll need to rent a sump pump with enough hose to reach outside and pump the basement dry, first.

I know sump pumps are rated at either GPM or GPH, but I'm not sure how you calculate what size you need.

figured i would need something to empty the basement. a friend has a pump they got when there basement flooded.

my basement is 1200sq ft.


heh over the winter i was going to have someone come in and redo the basement. glad i didnt now! but going to have a backup put in before i do it now.
 

Squisher

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If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

EDIT: hmm, seems there're some a lot cheaper
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Squisher
If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

:confused: Water-powered?
 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Squisher
If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

:confused: Water-powered?

Yep, will run for a lot longer than the battery backup pumps. And, no maintenance.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Squisher
If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

EDIT: hmm, seems there're some a lot cheaper

water powered? no ******?


hmm well im off to Lowes! time to burn up the charge card!
 

Sphexi

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Squisher
If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

:confused: Water-powered?

If you have town water, or a water source that doesn't require power on your end (like well pumps do), then the pump hooks up to the water line, and uses the water pressure to power it. You can get them for like $30 for basic little ones, they won't work nearly as well as a larger pump, but they'll hold their own for a few hours.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Squisher
If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

EDIT: hmm, seems there're some a lot cheaper

water powered? no ******?


hmm well im off to Lowes! time to burn up the charge card!

It's a nifty little design. It uses your water's pressure, but that's only useful if you are on city water, not an electric well. ;)
 

SarcasticDwarf

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I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.
 

Sphexi

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Wow, I learned something today! :) I had no idea such things existed.

Just realize that they use your water supply to pump, like a 1:1.5 ratio of water supply:pumped water or so. If you have a whole basement to pump, then you'll end up using 3/4 as much from your water supply to get the job done with a pressure powered pump. Better off having a real sump pump, and use a pressure powered one as a backup only.
 

eplebnista

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.

They're probably the same people that spend $2K on pc parts and $15 on a power supply to run them.
 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Wow, I learned something today! :) I had no idea such things existed.

Just realize that they use your water supply to pump, like a 1:1.5 ratio of water supply:pumped water or so. If you have a whole basement to pump, then you'll end up using 3/4 as much from your water supply to get the job done with a pressure powered pump. Better off having a real sump pump, and use a pressure powered one as a backup only.

Yeah, they're only for a backup.

 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: eplebnista
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.

They're probably the same people that spend $2K on pc parts and $15 on a power supply to run them.

The think is, 99+% of homeowners do this. It seems common sense is completely lacking in homeowners. The same thing happened to my parents. Their solution? Replace the sump pump with the same crappy kind and spend $400 on shelving to get everything off the floor.

You can see this in almost any aspect of home improvement/construction too.
 

slag

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.

Because some people, like me, check their equipment regularly. I check my sump pump for operation several times a year. I also have a generator that takes about 5 mins to set up and hook up to my sump pump if my power should fail.
 

amdskip

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Not all homes have sump pumps. Is this because it depends on the level of the water table in that area? My understanding is that it keeps the water table lower below a house, the pit is basically open to dirt below the house.
 

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Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.

Because some people, like me, check their equipment regularly. I check my sump pump for operation several times a year. I also have a generator that takes about 5 mins to set up and hook up to my sump pump if my power should fail.

Do you have any way to know if it simply fails? You can easily get four inches of water in your basement if it fails in the late afternoon one day and you do not see it until the next day.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: amdskip
Not all homes have sump pumps. Is this because it depends on the level of the water table in that area? My understanding is that it keeps the water table lower below a house, the pit is basically open to dirt below the house.

Yup. (though to be accurate, it is a combination of a drainage issue and a water table issue)
 

Jeff7

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How frequently does this happen? We had to take some rather drastic measures at home to take care of our flooding problem.

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.
Sometimes that doesn't help. At home, the water would come in through the sump so quickly that the pump couldn't handle it. But that wasn't the only point of entry - it also would come in through every crack in every wall, as well as through those in the floor. The landscapers were apparently rather stupid - the ground slopes toward the house on 3 out of 4 sides.

Every time it would rain heavily for a few consecutive days, or even just enough to completely saturate the ground a few feet down, the water would apparently pool underground in front of the house, as well as in the bed of crushed stone beneath the foundation. The floor of the basement is about 7 feet below the ground level of the front yard, and it seems that the level that the water was trying to fill up to. Fortunately, we could only ever get a few inches before it would get high enough to overflow past the lip of the sliding glass door in the back of the house.

But that still meant about 2" of water throughout the basement. The last time this happened, the flooding started while the rain was still coming down, so we didn't even bother starting to clean up, because the sump not only was having trouble keeping up, and because it was just flowing in everywhere else along the foundation. The pump would run for several seconds and empty out the sump, but it would fill up again within maybe 15 seconds, and the pump would have to run again.

For cleanup, I bought one of these Shop-vacs. The included hose is a bit wide, and so its removal of water was a bit slow. I got an adaptor and used the standard 1.25" connectors and floor attachment. That allowed the Shopvac to pull a stronger vacuum, and suck out the water faster. I attached a garden hose to it, and used it to remove the water that way. If you do buy this, note that it is able to suck up water faster than it can expel it, so you've got to suck up some water, then give it time to catch up and push out what it's taken in. But it still was a lot easier than using a unit that needed to be emptied constantly. Even if it's 12 gallons, that's still a tiny amount compared to about 1000 sq feet with 2" of water, which is over 1200 gallons.

Given how long the sump pump would have to run (sometimes a day or more, avg once per minute), I don't know that a battery backup would do the trick, though we do have a generator.

We did have something done though to hopefully take care of this problem for good, though we have yet to get enough rain to test it, and it's been nearly a year.
Someone came in and surveyed the yard, and figured out a plan - he dug a trench around the front and side of the house, which is where the water was coming in from. The trench was close to 10 feet deep, and the majority of it was filled with crushed stone. Over that went a layer of filter fabric, and it was filled with dirt and pressed down. The outlet of the trench is a drainage ditch in between our property and the neighbor's. He also drilled a hole in the frost barrier of the foundation in the back of the house such that it would lead into the crushed stone bed. To this he fitted a large pipe that also led to the drainage ditch.

The trench should serve to intercept any water flowing toward the house and allow it to flow freely around the foundation. Any water near the house should also tend to be wicked toward the trench, as the dirt near it would be slightly drier. The hole to the crushed stone bed will allow any water pooling under the house to flow out through the pipe before it got too full to force its way up through the sump.

That whole thing cost about $5,000. It was one guy in charge with two helpers; he had a backhoe, a dump truck for delivery of 20 tons of crushed stone, and a small variety of tools for cutting through concrete.

Hopefully it will finally work and keep the basement flood-free.


Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
The think is, 99+% of homeowners do this. It seems common sense is completely lacking in homeowners. The same thing happened to my parents. Their solution? Replace the sump pump with the same crappy kind and spend $400 on shelving to get everything off the floor.

You can see this in almost any aspect of home improvement/construction too.
We use sections of 2x4's to keep our stuff off the floor, and some of our shelves are homemade.:p

When we moved into the house, the guy said that he'd never had any problems with flooding. That was probably not a lie - the region was in the midst of a 10 year-long drought. A few years later, it rained for over a week straight, and we had our first flooding. The basement had been carpeted with some ugly stuff, and that all had to be ripped out. That was about 18 years ago. We only finally just did this trenching recently. I guess my parents finally tired of the biyearly flooding, though the cost of the trenching had been a significant deterrent.
 
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You can pick up an electrical one for relatively cheap for the initial task of draining the pool. We have a couple that we put outside in the Spring when the thaw water gets too deep. Just don't put the plug connections in the water. :p
 

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
How frequently does this happen? We had to take some rather drastic measures at home to take care of our flooding problem.

<snip for readability>

Interesting story.

I was not suggesting that it would be the perfect solution in all cases, only that most homes that are subject to flooding would benefit from it.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Squisher
If you're thinking about finishing a basement you should also consider a water powered backup sump pump. I think they're about $700 if you DIY.

EDIT: hmm, seems there're some a lot cheaper

water powered? no ******?


hmm well im off to Lowes! time to burn up the charge card!

It's a nifty little design. It uses your water's pressure, but that's only useful if you are on city water, not an electric well. ;)


well that wouldnt do me any good. bummer


just got back. a 1/2 HP pump was $99 and new pipe and valve etc was a little more.

got a pump going to empty out the basement. bah



first time the basement has flooded. if the sump pump wouldnt have failedwe would have been fine. but still going to get a backup put in sometime this summer. Before we have the basement redone.

Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.

Because some people, like me, check their equipment regularly. I check my sump pump for operation several times a year. I also have a generator that takes about 5 mins to set up and hook up to my sump pump if my power should fail.

that would not have helped. heck i had the sump pump expected last year and i was just down in the basement a few days ago and it was working great. I figure it went out yesterday afternoon.

it really does not take long for a basement to flood. with the warm weather all the snow is melting and we been under flash flood warnings.



 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I never understand why people buy $100,000+ homes with basements and do not spend $500 on a dual sump pump with battery backup. It just does not make any sense to me.

because it's expensive?