Woohoo! Go Audi....beat BMW twice in latest C&D shootout

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The RS6 beat out the M5, and the S4 beat out the M3. I was actually surprised! I've never seen BMW snuffed twice like that in that type of comparison.

On a side note, they did a comparison of the Sentra Spec-V, Focus SVT, MazdaSpeed Protege, and the Neon SRT-4. SRT-4 SMOKED ALL of the cars in pretty much any and all performance evaluations and ran away with the crown for the econbox rockets. Ranking went -

4. Spec V
3. Protege
2. Focus SVT
1. SRT-4
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
On a side note, they did a comparison of the Sentra Spec-V, Focus SVT, MazdaSpeed Protege, and the Neon SRT-4. SRT-4 SMOKED ALL of the cars in pretty much any and all performance evaluations and ran away with the crown for the econbox rockets. Ranking went -

4. Spec V
3. Protege
2. Focus SVT
1. SRT-4
Hehe, that's pretty cool!

1. American
2. American
3. Isn't this Mazda also American?
4. POS Nissan! MUAHAHAHAHA!!! Seriously though, Nissan needs a new USDM replacement for Sentra and 240SX...I wonder how long before FreshAlloy has the pics/specs...
 
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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Hehe, that's pretty cool!

1. American
2. American
3. Isn't this Mazda also American?
4. POS Nissan! MUAHAHAHAHA!!! Seriously though, Nissan needs a new USDM replacement for Sentra and 240SX...I wonder how long before FreshAlloy has the pics/specs...
Nope, the Protege is Japanese.
 

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I thought it was very cool that the domestics won in both price AND performance categories. Dodge especially went right for the throat with the SRT-4.

I'm still in awe of just how wicked fast the MB E55 AMG is. That thing is INSANE! Who'd ever image a 4000+ pound land barge could move that fast :Q
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
I thought it was very cool that the domestics won in both price AND performance categories. Dodge especially went right for the throat with the SRT-4.

I'm still in awe of just how wicked fast the MB E55 AMG is. That thing is INSANE! Who'd ever image a 4000+ pound land barge could move that fast :Q

Price and performance sure, but I am sure they lose big time in long term reliability...that is one reason why I am not a fan of the car rags shootouts...I bought a car based on alot of hype and price/performance and now two years later I am feeling the pain of a poor build and high maintenece costs for a pretty cheap car...not really what I expected after reading the reviews.
 

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The Sentra's actually getting a bit long in the tooth... the basic design has remained almost totally unchanged since the major revision in 2000.

But that was four (model) years ago now so I think another redesign must be on the horizon.

Dodge definitely has a winner performance-wise in the SRT-4. It's really an amazing bang-for-the-buck vehicle.
 

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Buy an Audi for the reviews and you'll pay for it in maintenance and breakdowns......Audi is absolutely terrible; you'd have better luck with long-term durability with almost any American car.
 

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Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
Buy an Audi for the reviews and you'll pay for it in maintenance and breakdowns......Audi is absolutely terrible; you'd have better luck with long-term durability with almost any American car.

Agreed. But that's a side affect of all the technological gadgets and doodads they put in their cars. Quality does not necessarily = reliability.
 

Agreed. But that's a side affect of all the technological gadgets and doodads they put in their cars. Quality does not necessarily = reliability.


Yes it does, quality "doodads" as you call it will remain in service longer without failures compared to poor quality "doodads".
 

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Hehe, that's pretty cool!

1. American
2. American
3. Isn't this Mazda also American?
4. POS Nissan! MUAHAHAHAHA!!! Seriously though, Nissan needs a new USDM replacement for Sentra and 240SX...I wonder how long before FreshAlloy has the pics/specs...
Nope, the Protege is Japanese.
Ford still has the controlling interest in Mazda. Ford has the final say on anything Mazda does.

ZV
 

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Yes it does, quality "doodads" as you call it will remain in service longer without failures compared to poor quality "doodads".

Personal preference IMHO. It's just what and individual ranks as more important.

My passat is certainly a more "quality" car than a Taurus or Impala. It has far less road noise, has better ergonomics, better interior, better handling, a better engine, more luxurious amnenities, better seat comfort, better acceleration, better braking distances, and better safety ratings. But, it will probably cost me more to operate and own it in the long run and will probably have more glitches than the other two.

Does that one area of weakness overpower the others? To me, it doesn't.
 

My passat is certainly a more "quality" car than a Taurus or Impala. It has far less road noise, has better ergonomics, better interior, better handling, a better engine, more luxurious amnenities, better seat comfort, better acceleration, better braking distances, and better safety ratings. But, it will probably cost me more to operate and own it in the long run and will probably have more glitches than the other two.

This is not a quality issue, this is a ergonomic and design issue you are speaking about in the above staement ;):)

 

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POS Nissan!
You die.

I've been impressed with the SRT-4 from the getgo. In its price range it's just unassailable. The thing is fast as hell for $20k and the competition just does not come close. It's about the first time I've admitted that I'd consider a domestic for a new car :)
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
Buy an Audi for the reviews and you'll pay for it in maintenance and breakdowns......Audi is absolutely terrible; you'd have better luck with long-term durability with almost any American car.

Agreed. But that's a side affect of all the technological gadgets and doodads they put in their cars. Quality does not necessarily = reliability.

I guess engines and transmissions count as doodads, then? Having someone related to me that moonlights at night at a LARGE N. VA MB, Audi, Porsche dealer, the horror stories I hear about German cars and how they cost big bucks yet don't last are enough for me to steer clear of almost anything put out in Germany.

Guess if you are swayed by doodads, go for it. I'd look to something else for my hard-earned dollar.
 

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Guess if you are swayed by doodads, go for it. I'd look to something else for my hard-earned dollar.

Anything considered a luxury or premium item brings with it the burden of higher maintanence or repair bills. That's just the way it is. If a rolex breaks, it's going to be a hell of a lot more expensive to repair/replace than a timex. If your $7,000 Plasma screen TV breaks down, it's going to be much more expensive to fix than a 27" GE branded tube based TV. If an elite branded audio receiver craps out, the repair bill is going to be much higher than a kenwood or pioneer to fix.

That's just the way it. A BMW or Audi, or Mercede's will almost always be more expensive to own than a Chevy or Ford. If you don't accept that fact before you buy it, then you are a naive fool.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit Anything considered a luxury or premium item brings with it the burden of higher maintanence or repair bills. That's just the way it is. If a rolex breaks, it's going to be a hell of a lot more expensive to repair/replace than a timex. If your $7,000 Plasma screen TV breaks down, it's going to be much more expensive to fix than a 27" GE branded tube based TV. If an elite branded audio receiver craps out, the repair bill is going to be much higher than a kenwood or pioneer to fix.

That's just the way it. A BMW or Audi, or Mercede's will almost always be more expensive to own than a Chevy or Ford. If you don't accept that fact before you buy it, then you are a naive fool.

True, Luxury has a price and the question one must ask themselves is the price worth it?? after owning a few lower tier cars (Camaro, Mustang, Contour SVT) I have concluded that since I will only be on this planet once that I know of then yes to me luxury, or at least a little luxury is worth the extra expense especially if I can afford it.

Also I find with things that I have that are more expensive I tend to treat them much better as I had to work alot harder to have them, I know if I forked the money for the Audi TT that I really like I would drive it fast but not hard, whereas I am constantly slamming on my Contour SVT since I am rather appaled by its poor build, high service costs and crappy interior. And since the car is cheaper I really don't care about it.

Same thing with a Rolex or anything else nice...I would opt to have something like that fixed whereas with a Timex I would just throw it out...even with throwing it out the Timex is cheaper as my father had a Rolex and the service was like $300+ every time he sent it in (like every 5-7 years or something or when it really got beat up) but with the Rolex every time he got it back it looked like new and he had it his whole life and it will probabily work when he is gone and then it will get passed on to someone else, I don't think the same could be said for a timex.

Then there is service, sure BMW, Audi, MB and any other high end brand has expensive service, but you get treated so much better and IMHO it is worth it, not to mention with Audi you get free regular maintenence for the first 50,000 miles...with Ford, Chevy and a few other brands you are lucky if they do the job right the first time...my brother has a personal relationship with his BMW dealer, not because it is in for service that much...the car is very reliable, but instead the people there seem to care more because they get paid more and they enjoy what they do..at all of the domestic dealers I go to they don't give a rats behind about me or my car unless I am paying for a major service, and even if I am not they try to sell one to me..with him they advise him on what he has to do and how to save money. Totally different attitude if you ask me.

And with re. Audi's well I think any car with alot of tech in it will have a better chance of having problems, honda or audi...personally I like cars that are refined but also low tech...which is why I love the Audi TT, not too much going on but also very well made and good looks, plus the free service is a plus...if I had the money I would have already bought one.