Woodworking and issues.

[alkemyst]

I would like to say I am sorry to Pliablemoose....what started off as simply a point I was trying to make got quickly eroded into a slugfest.

To those that simply jumped in, even on the FI post where that was way off base, perhaps butting out and not adding fire to the flames would have been the smart thing to do. Seems everyone crawled out of the woodwork to take their little potshots at me.

I welcome any of the people that accuse me of simply knowing too much, to find a fault with what I say then and keep it from being personal....that's what it all is here it seems. You know more than me, you own more than me, your pc is faster, your g/f is prettier, blah blah blah....meanwhile no one is even talking about the original issue....just side issues, and heaven forbid that one or two typos/grammar errors slip in.

If the other members stayed out of the disagreement between PM and me it would have been corrected....if the thread had not been locked by the time I got back I would have edited it. I have in the past edited posts and apologized to others publically....I do not have a problem admitting I am wrong.

So please keep your barbs to yourselves in this posting...the purpose is to serve as 1) an apology to PM and 2) an explaination for the events

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[Amused]

My two bits:

Elitists, no matter what field they are in, suck.

 

[Pliablemoose]

alkemyst,

Fine woodworking is not done with toothpicks, white glue & a hacksaw, people spend many thousands of dollars on home shops, a cursory look @ some of the woodworking forums will bear this out. Compared to most folks who build furniture & cabinetry as a hobby, I have spent a modest amount of money putting together a home shop.

For instance, you spent more money modding your Saturn than I did on my home shop

Your comments in my threads provided numerous criticisms and very little help, the mods agreed, locked the thread because of all the crapping you did, and asked you to apologize to me.


Your posts in my thread caused 3 firsts for me;

1.)The first time I asked the mods to intervene in a thread I created.

2.)The first time I felt I deserved an apology.

3.)The first time I've blocked anyone from sending me PM's


Yes, my life is a soap opera, and honestly, it's embarrassing @ times, but it sure as fvck beats the hell out of not having one.

Hopefully over the next months, I'll post some pics of the shop & some projects.

I appreciate the public apology, and really hope you have a good life

I'll post no more in this thread.

 

[dartworth]

alkemyst-
Did it ever occur to you that you are a complete asshole and a troll. Every thread you post in is followed by conflict and flaming.

STFU and take your sh1t elsewhere.

That is all.

 

[rudeguy]

just me $.02. I respect alkemyst for posting the apology, but I still think he was wrong for belittling moose like he did. There is some severe tention on this board lately, and I think it needs to be addressed. We are all human. We all have our faults. With as many great minds as we have here, if we learned to work together instead of against each other, we could solve world peace and world hunger in a matter of minutes. I guess what I am trying to say is that we should focus more on trying to help each other out, instead of looking for a reason to flame.


Maybe its just the meds talking, but it sounds like a good idea to me.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Amused
My two bits:

Elitists, no matter what field they are in, suck.

Four bits now

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
alkemyst,

Fine woodworking is not done with toothpicks, white glue & a hacksaw, people spend many thousands of dollars on home shops, a cursory look @ some of the woodworking forums will bear this out. Compared to most folks who build furniture & cabinetry as a hobby, I have spent a modest amount of money putting together a home shop.

For instance, you spent more money modding your Saturn than I did on my home shop

Your comments in my threads provided numerous criticisms and very little help, the mods agreed, locked the thread because of all the crapping you did, and asked you to apologize to me.


Your posts in my thread caused 3 firsts for me;

1.)The first time I asked the mods to intervene in a thread I created.

2.)The first time I felt I deserved an apology.

3.)The first time I've blocked anyone from sending me PM's


Yes, my life is a soap opera, and honestly, it's embarrassing @ times, but it sure as fvck beats the hell out of not having one.

Hopefully over the next months, I'll post some pics of the shop & some projects.

I appreciate the public apology, and really hope you have a good life

I'll post no more in this thread.

I don't know why the attack now, but I will respond.

I know much about woodworking I built this unit temporarily until I get a house My desk, about 84" x 84" x 42" and a simple TV and A/V stand. The desk's picture would be better if I could back up about another 10' to take the picture....the tv stand has slide out shelves. Both have cable management and you can't see wires anymore on either. I have also built a full built-in unit in my old house. It would be foolish to do that here though as this place is too small.

My next project is a L shaped nook for my kitchen with storage as well as a coffee table and end tables.

My tools however probably add up to $10k or more....I have about 1000-1500 hand tools, all mechanical sockets/wrenches/etc in standard and metric up to about 1 1/2" and 36mm or so. I have a powerful hand circular saw, cordless and corded drills, dremel, belt sander, orbital sander, router, 2ton and 4 ton jacks and stands, 3 different ranged torque wrenches, plumbing tools including pipe cutters up to about 4", painting gear, 1 40' and 2 20' ladders, bench grinder, vice, and a 10" table saw and radial arm saw. There is probably more a lot of this stuff I keep at my father's until I get a garage back.

I spent about $4k out of pocket on my Saturn. I spent about $8k on the GTI VR6 before it. I use my tools and I enjoy doing things with my and other's cars and homes. Sprinkler systems, wood projects and painting. I have all the tools so using them is important. I also know a few guys with $50k+ SnapOn sets that have used two screwdrivers and maybe a wrench.

I spend a lot of freaking money on things my PC has a ton of cash into it, my home theatre that I am using now was a bedroom setup...my main 'home system' was around $15k in early 1990's money, I am looking at a possible $10k tax bill and however much it's going to cost to go to Japan in April for two weeks....I don't know what the comparision is about, I spend money?

As far as your life being a 'soap opera' most people have that. You want soap opera consider mine it was a lot more downward involving gun fire, a few 100k in lost assets, as well as my ass being arrested and in jail...even that said I know a few with way crazier crap (one guy was shot 6 times with an AK47 in a nice neighborhood answering his door). I could share some real issues even showing the scars and police report. wow go me!

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[loup garou]

Jesus just STFU already. What are you, luvly's brother?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: werk
Jesus just STFU already. What are you, luvly's brother?

:beer:

It's not like he didn't start it in the other thread by having to mention pliablemoose's ex from out of thin air.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: dartworth
alkemyst-
Did it ever occur to you that you are a complete asshole and a troll. Every thread you post in is followed by conflict and flaming.

STFU and take your sh1t elsewhere.

That is all.

You are very wrong on that my friend. The problem I get is when I am right then someone goes off and cries know it all or they have doubts of things I have done.

There is a big tax thread going on right now I am providing plenty of help in. If I was wrong I am sure the two other guys CPA and EagleKeeper would have corrected me.

You realize you don't have to read every post.

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[Pliablemoose]

Last post, I promise.

Your computer desk and AV stand are prime examples of why you shouldn't even be attempting to offer advice.

Both pine (not hardwoods), nail heads showing & very obvious joinery. Your projects are examples of what I'm trying to avoid.

Nail heads showing

Very crude joinery

The edges haven't been routered, and your work doesn't appear to have had a finish applied.

Respectfully suggest you refrain on giving advice on woodworking....

And finally WTF is the matter with you?

 

[Pliablemoose]

This thread needs to be locked too

 

[Armitage]

Ok, I just went back and looked at that thread ... OMFG, what a complete ass. And judging from the quality of the work in the pictures you posted, you're in no position to advise on woodworking matters either. I mean, exposed screws holding up your shelves, no face frames ... I wouldn't load those shelves to heavy, they're likely to split out on you. And that bit where the desk on the left side sticks out about half an inch from the shelves ... a nice touch.

I'm not suprised you've never found a need for a jointer or planer ... I mean when you're buying S4S pine @ Home Depot, what's the point?

I normally wouldn't criticize anybody's work here, but you asked for it in a big way ... and dragging in moose's ex was only the icing on the cake.

With regaard to building his shop before he's done much woodworking yet ... so what. I started out with hand tools I scrounged at auctions and yardsales, but if I had had the money, I would have done it the way Moose is. And I know guys that have. Some of them eventually decided woodworking wasn't for them, but good tools resell fairly well, and they weren't exactly spending the nest egg on the stuff to begin with.

So go get a life.

 

[Pliablemoose]

From the Anadtech playground Mod:

I hope that includes the courtesy of a return apology and unblocking him from your PM's to allow him to be gentleman enough to accept.

Fair enough,

alkemyst,

I'm sorry I didn't take your apology graciously and that I ridiculed your woodworking, car, and pics on your website. BTW, you have a very nice wife & it looks like some great friends



Everyone else, I'd like to apologize for my lack of restraint in both threads, the original & this one, please let this thread die.

I appreciate the PM's with links & suggestions/adivce. There are some very gifted folks in OT.

Off to pick up the used jointer... Anyone have a spare hernia truss?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Last post, I promise.

Your computer desk and AV stand are prime examples of why you shouldn't even be attempting to offer advice.

Both pine (not hardwoods), nail heads showing & very obvious joinery. Your projects are examples of what I'm trying to avoid.

Nail heads showing

Very crude joinery

The edges haven't been routered, and your work doesn't appear to have had a finish applied.

Respectfully suggest you refrain on giving advice on woodworking....

And finally WTF is the matter with you?

I used maple for my old house...the kitchen cabinents, the flooring, and my wallunit/living room was all maple, but there is nothing wrong with pine...down here in Florida pine is used even in the most expensive of furnishings.

Like I said these two units will probably be trashed when I move out, if I had the room the desk would be about 84"x96"x60", the console would have regular drawers, glass doors and shelves....you cannot buy a 26" deep console easily. The pieces in this place with the mexican tile look very good. The 'screwheads' actually look good with the rustic decor here, I had ripped a bunch of pine to cover them, but once it was up the effect was perfect. The 'crude' joinery it not joinery at all I used 90 degree butt joints, however, they are very solid and again this was just a project that may be used for 1 year...perhaps 2. 90 degree is about what most furniture uses. You want to get in to dovetailling, dowels, mortised, whatever you are not going to plan on trashing it.

No finish either, no need for a finish on these...the desk top is whiteboard and has been routed. I have polyurethane as well as a stain I could have used....the white wood contrasted perfectly with the reddish clay tile.

Types of wood, finish, hardware and joinery are all based on what you are trying to accomplish....early american cherry would not look good in a beach cottage. Rustic knotty pine with iron hardware would not look good in an elegant dining setting. Pine (spruce) was more of a choice of not only low cost, but also availability of 12" board widths to eliminate the need to glue and clamp boards.

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[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Ok, I just went back and looked at that thread ... OMFG, what a complete ass. And judging from the quality of the work in the pictures you posted, you're in no position to advise on woodworking matters either. I mean, exposed screws holding up your shelves, no face frames ... I wouldn't load those shelves to heavy, they're likely to split out on you. And that bit where the desk on the left side sticks out about half an inch from the shelves ... a nice touch.

I don't think you know what you are talking about....I had two bookcases with the exact same construction for approxiately 6 years in a room to store my books one was 48" wide, the other 42"....only the 48" sagged slightly on one shelf that I didn't center brace. Like I said these project are temporary work areas....you will not find anything commercially available that could suffice for this same storage need in the same space constraints.

I'm not suprised you've never found a need for a jointer or planer ... I mean when you're buying S4S pine @ Home Depot, what's the point?

s4s (4 surfaced sides) is never usually good enough to take straight to assembly, surely you know that.

I normally wouldn't criticize anybody's work here, but you asked for it in a big way ... and dragging in moose's ex was only the icing on the cake.

With regaard to building his shop before he's done much woodworking yet ... so what. I started out with hand tools I scrounged at auctions and yardsales, but if I had had the money, I would have done it the way Moose is. And I know guys that have. Some of them eventually decided woodworking wasn't for them, but good tools resell fairly well, and they weren't exactly spending the nest egg on the stuff to begin with.

So go get a life.

I am not going to rehash crap throwing which is all you are attempting here. You merely stated inaccuracies anyway.

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[Armitage]

LoL ... justify it all you want, 10K worth of tools to produce dorm room quality furniture??

And 90 degree butt joints are joinery ... just not very good. A simple dado joint would be far stronger, stiffer, and nicer looking. As for the finish ... I guess if you plan on trashing it, it doesn't matter, but that's going to look pretty crapy in awhile because you can't really clean it.

You'd have been just as well off with some cheap particle board crap, and could've save yourself alot in tools.

In any case, I find it terribly ironic that you see fit to criticize or affer advice regarding woodworking!

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Ok, I just went back and looked at that thread ... OMFG, what a complete ass. And judging from the quality of the work in the pictures you posted, you're in no position to advise on woodworking matters either. I mean, exposed screws holding up your shelves, no face frames ... I wouldn't load those shelves to heavy, they're likely to split out on you. And that bit where the desk on the left side sticks out about half an inch from the shelves ... a nice touch.

I don't think you know what you are talking about....I had two bookcases with the exact same construction for approxiately 6 years in a room to store my books one was 48" wide, the other 42"....only the 48" sagged slightly on one shelf that I didn't center brace. Like I said these project are temporary work areas....you will not find anything commercially available that could suffice for this same storage need in the same space constraints.

I'm not suprised you've never found a need for a jointer or planer ... I mean when you're buying S4S pine @ Home Depot, what's the point?

s4s (4 surfaced sides) is never usually good enough to take straight to assembly, surely you know that.

It's certainly good enough for the quality of work you're showing here.

I normally wouldn't criticize anybody's work here, but you asked for it in a big way ... and dragging in moose's ex was only the icing on the cake.

With regaard to building his shop before he's done much woodworking yet ... so what. I started out with hand tools I scrounged at auctions and yardsales, but if I had had the money, I would have done it the way Moose is. And I know guys that have. Some of them eventually decided woodworking wasn't for them, but good tools resell fairly well, and they weren't exactly spending the nest egg on the stuff to begin with.

So go get a life.

I am not going to rehash crap throwing which is all you are attempting here. You merely stated inaccuracies anyway.

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[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ergeorge
LoL ... justify it all you want, 10K worth of tools to produce dorm room quality furniture??

And 90 degree butt joints are joinery ... just not very good. A simple dado joint would be far stronger, stiffer, and nicer looking. As for the finish ... I guess if you plan on trashing it, it doesn't matter, but that's going to look pretty crapy in awhile because you can't really clean it.

You'd have been just as well off with some cheap particle board crap, and could've save yourself alot in tools.

In any case, I find it terribly ironic that you see fit to criticize or affer advice regarding woodworking!

You aren't getting it....you are wanting to bash and cry and scream....you are missing the points.

I am in this apartment for a 7 month lease....I will probably renew it once and then be in a house.....absolutely anything I build here will be trashed on me leaving. It would be stupid to pour money into $500-1000 in wood....these pieces are custom to the location and would probably not work elsewhere.

Dados would only add to increased project time and not add anything worthwhile. 1" pine with a simple butt joint is capable of supporting a ton of wieght. In my old wall unit I used butt joints for the ends and partial dados for the interior pieces (gave a blind front joint). As far as unfinished woods go they aren't going to be good for liquids and stainables....sanding can cure a ton of problems....but again I have finishes...these look better without them and even if needed to last 2-3 years there isn't going to be a lot of chances for them to get dirty. My desktop is impervious to just about anything and that's the only working surface I use.

About the saving money in tools....my tools weren't just bought, I have been buying tools for about 17 years. I have built tons of things and have done tons of projects....many of my friends cars while I was in college were completely serviced by me. You realize tools aren't just for wood. However you will have yet another response I am sure.

My projects were brought up only because I was asked what I have done....in my original thread when I built them I explained it all....workmanship was sacrificed for ease of build and due to the temporarly nature. There is no particle board pieces or otherwise that would give me the workstation I needed.

 

[KK]

:beer:s all around.

KK :beer:

 

[Pliablemoose]

He he, one new (used) 6" Jet jointer... top The guy was really cool about ending his auction early.

Thank god for my furniture dolly.

Dude I bought it from had some nice equipment & a very tiny garage filled with sawdust

Wish I had the $ to buy his Jet table saw from him, all the jigs etc went with it for ~$1,400

Looks like it'll get cold tomorrow

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
He he, one new (used) 6" Jet jointer... top The guy was really cool about ending his link deleted early.

Thank god for my furniture dolly.

Dude I bought it from had some nice equipment & a very tiny garage filled with sawdust

Wish I had the $ to buy his Jet table saw from him, all the jigs etc went with it for ~$1,400

Looks like it'll get cold tomorrow

being that he ended early...I'd not link the auction (I have taken it out of my quote). There are a few idiots here that will go cry to the ebay police.

fyi

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[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
He he, one new (used) 6" Jet jointer... top The guy was really cool about ending his link deleted early.

Thank god for my furniture dolly.

Dude I bought it from had some nice equipment & a very tiny garage filled with sawdust

Wish I had the $ to buy his Jet table saw from him, all the jigs etc went with it for ~$1,400

Looks like it'll get cold tomorrow

being that he ended early...I'd not link the auction (I have taken it out of my quote). There are a few idiots here that will go cry to the ebay police.

fyi

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Actually, ending an aution early isn't a problem


eBay help

Sometimes something goes wrong and you can't complete your listing as planned. If needed, you can choose to end your listing before the scheduled date. If there are bids on your item, you can cancel them.

Reasons for ending listings early include:
The item is no longer available for sale.
There was an error in the starting price or reserve amount.
There was an error in the listing.
The item was lost or broken.

You must have missed the eBay class we had earlier this week.

If anyone in OT wanted to purchase the item in the DFW area, I'll sell it to them for my purchase price & deliver it to them, cuz that's just the kind of guy I am.

Anyone in DFW want a used 6" jointer? Speak up now...

 

[KK]

:beer:

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
He he, one new (used) 6" Jet jointer... top The guy was really cool about ending his link deleted early.

Thank god for my furniture dolly.

Dude I bought it from had some nice equipment & a very tiny garage filled with sawdust

Wish I had the $ to buy his Jet table saw from him, all the jigs etc went with it for ~$1,400

Looks like it'll get cold tomorrow

being that he ended early...I'd not link the auction (I have taken it out of my quote). There are a few idiots here that will go cry to the ebay police.

fyi

Å

Actually, ending an aution early isn't a problem


eBay help

Sometimes something goes wrong and you can't complete your listing as planned. If needed, you can choose to end your listing before the scheduled date. If there are bids on your item, you can cancel them.

Reasons for ending listings early include:
The item is no longer available for sale.
There was an error in the starting price or reserve amount.
There was an error in the listing.
The item was lost or broken.

You must have missed the eBay class we had earlier this week.

If anyone in OT wanted to purchase the item in the DFW area, I'll sell it to them for my purchase price & deliver it to them, cuz that's just the kind of guy I am.

Anyone in DFW want a used 6" jointer? Speak up now...

I thought you just bought the thing?

KK