Won't Someone PLEASE Think About the Retailers?

BoomerD

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http://www.modbee.com/columnists/hill/story/509383.html

Forget Tiny Tim: Retailers need a little love this year
By David W. Hill

The holiday shopping season is always a critical time for businesses large and small, chain-owned and independent, warehouse and boutique. If they can make money in the fourth quarter of the year, they'll likely make it for another year.

In any year, that's a big chore, but in today's bleak economic climate the challenge is staggering, as retailers and other businesses across the country report dramatic sales declines leading up to the holiday. Their forecasts, and those of industry analysts, aren't very optimistic when it comes to Christmas shoppers.

And there's nothing worse for business at this critical time of year than being faced with a bunch of Santa's helpers who can't or won't open their purse strings to make purchases.

While all this might seem like a problem faced by retailers in other parts of the country, businesses in the Northern San Joaquin Valley also are in a fight for their survival this holiday shopping season.

"Retail is a big driver of this economy," said Doug Sweetland, economic development director at the Stanislaus Economic Development and Workforce Alliance. "There's no question this will be a critical period for business here."

Sweetland said the situation is particularly tough for small businesses that haven't been around long enough to develop a following. "If the consumer base is not there, you are really going to be hurting."

That's why businesses have to find ways to keep promoting themselves, he said. Having a strong business plan, good cost controls and the right direction can also help them get through this roughest of patches, he said.

But it's the lack of consumer confidence that's the biggest concern right now, he stressed, because without it, shoppers will be reluctant to spend. "The lack of confidence is just a reflection of what is going on in the economy as a whole."

"Confidence is going to return," Sweetland assured, "the question is ... when?"

Joyce Keller, co-owner of Keller's Gifts in Modesto's McHenry Village, thinks consumer confidence in the valley started to decline along with the housing market a couple of years ago. She and the staff have watched as foot traffic and sales slipped.

After more than 50 years of providing valley shoppers with an upscale shopping experience more often equated with the Bay Area, Keller's also was no longer "the only game in town" for purchasing fine china, wedding gifts and elegant items. So Keller's refocused, expanding its home decorator merchandise and annual Christmas shop. "Find a niche and make it your own," Keller advised.

Even so, Keller is worried about what this holiday season will bring. Or what it won't.

Not lost on her and other small-business owners is the arrival of more competition in the Northern San Joaquin Valley.

From Monte Vista Crossings in Turlock to Riverbank's Crossroads shopping center on the border of northeast Modesto, more national chains and big-box stores will be competing for this year's slice of Christmas shopping revenue. That competition got even tougher with the opening of Modesto's first Wal-Mart Supercenter -- at one end of the retail spectrum -- and the completion of an upscale shopping plaza at Vintage Fair Mall with the likes of Coach, Bebe and Coldwater Creek -- at the other end.

"There's no question about it. It's tough for the small stores to compete with these guys on volume. You can only go so far with good customer service. It will have an impact," Sweetland said about the increased competition from national chains.

Still, he said, established small businesses can make it if they focus on continuing to cater to their regulars. "People still have a sense of loyalty to the businesses they have had good dealings with," he explained. "I know I do."

That kind of loyalty to small, locally owned businesses could be the key to success and survival this holiday season. No one expects valley shoppers to ignore the new stores or national-chain bargains. This season, more than any other in memory, price will be king with uneasy consumers.

But shoppers need to remember the small, independent stores, restaurants and service companies that were here long before the big boys discovered the region. The small businesses that have enjoyed the support of local shoppers over the years need it now more than ever.

The drop in gas prices put more money back in folks' pockets just in time for Christmas. Whether they'll spend it in these uncertain times remains to be seen. But whatever amount consumers do spend on Christmas this year, making sure some of it goes to the small businesses throughout the region is the best way to support the local economy.

"People tell me all the time that Keller's is an institution in this town and that it could never close," said Keller. "But our vendors are telling us a lot of stories about stores closing."

That's why during this most-important of holiday shopping seasons, the essential element in valley stores is you -- the shopper -- carrying lots and lots of packages.



This columist writes the local "business beat" column in our local newspaper and is always touting some new business.
While what he says is true, if people don't spend at the local retailers, they may not be here next year, consumer confidence is WAY down here.
Our local unemployment rate is around 12% and does not look like it will get better anytime soon.
Almost everyone we know as severely scaled back their X-mas shopping plans.
 

darkxshade

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Because spending more money we don't have and going deeper into debt will save the retail sector. :disgust:


This is not as simple as it sounds. People don't spend because they can't afford to. Pushing them to spend just to save the retail sector from taking a hit as a result of a declining economy is not going to fix the problem.
 

Wreckem

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There is likely to be a significant number of national retailers filing Chapter 11 after this holiday season.
 

NeoAaronX

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Dude,... I'm not even buying gifts this year. Everyone I know will be getting a MS-Paint picture I'm gonna draw up after I'm done with this post,...





I'm not even gonna print it out for them,... just send it out in an e-mail.









 

AlienCraft

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Free Marketers forgot their end of the bargain where they reward their workers for the increased productivity they have managed over the last decade.
That failure, coupled with the massive shift of wealth known as "Record Oil Company Profits" has served to reduce discretionary spending to levels not seen since the early '80s.
They ( the Corporatists) are going to have to increase workers wages substantially before anyone starts spending again.
No one I know trusts Corporate America anymore, and with good reason. They are not on "our" side and they show they have never been.

Boo fucking hoo.... This is the end result of unbridled greed and disregard for the actual, real humans, instead of inhuman juristic persona and their sociopathic agendas.

Addendum : I don't shop at Wal-Mart due to their sales tax rebate program. Simply put, every bit of sales tax collected at Wal-Marts goes to their corporate bottom line and out of the local area where it is supposed to stay.
Anyone who shops at Wal -Mart, contributes to the decline of local Tax revenue, thus stealing needed revenue from local services.
Yay Sam Walton's Estate. It's PATRIOTIC to rip off the tax man!

Support independant businesses, the job you save may be your neighbors.
 

Gothgar

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Free Marketers forgot their end of the bargain where they reward their workers for the increased productivity they have managed over the last decade.
That failure, coupled with the massive shift of wealth known as "Record Oil Company Profits" has served to reduce discretionary spending to levels not seen since the early '80s.
They ( the Corporatists) are going to have to increase workers wages substantially before anyone starts spending again.
No one I know trusts Corporate America anymore, and with good reason. They are not on "our" side and they show they have never been.

Boo fucking hoo.... This is the end result of unbridled greed and disregard for the actual, real humans, instead of inhuman juristic persona and their sociopathic agendas.

and how does that make you feel inside?
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Wreckem


There is likely to be a significant number of national retailers filing Chapter 11 after this holiday season.

Significant? I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two smaller retailers go down, but I don't think we're going to see a repeat of the financial sector.
 

BoomerD

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Unfortunately, the retailers doing bad affects more than just those retailers. Salespeople, suppliers, etc. all take a hit, but I agree with most of you...going further into debt to "save" a retailer who wouldn't do the same for me, is just plain bad personal business policy.

Prices at the B&M stores is often MUCH higher than the on-line retailers for the same goods, you don't have to deal with the crush of people at the stores/malls, nor deal with stupid, rude, or just poorly-trained salespeople.

I don't remember the last time we went out on "Black Friday" to do our shopping. It's rarely worth the hassles.




Originally posted by: NeoAaronX
Dude,... I'm not even buying gifts this year. Everyone I know will be getting a MS-Paint picture I'm gonna draw up after I'm done with this post,...


I'm not even gonna print it out for them,... just send it out in an e-mail.

I'm sure they'll appreciate all the work and effort you put into it.
Do you do exchanges?
What if it's the wrong color or size?
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: Gothgar
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Free Marketers forgot their end of the bargain where they reward their workers for the increased productivity they have managed over the last decade.
That failure, coupled with the massive shift of wealth known as "Record Oil Company Profits" has served to reduce discretionary spending to levels not seen since the early '80s.
They ( the Corporatists) are going to have to increase workers wages substantially before anyone starts spending again.
No one I know trusts Corporate America anymore, and with good reason. They are not on "our" side and they show they have never been.

Boo fucking hoo.... This is the end result of unbridled greed and disregard for the actual, real humans, instead of inhuman juristic persona and their sociopathic agendas.

and how does that make you feel inside?
And your reason for asking would be.... what exactly?

 

txrandom

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Free Marketers forgot their end of the bargain where they reward their workers for the increased productivity they have managed over the last decade.
That failure, coupled with the massive shift of wealth known as "Record Oil Company Profits" has served to reduce discretionary spending to levels not seen since the early '80s.
They ( the Corporatists) are going to have to increase workers wages substantially before anyone starts spending again.
No one I know trusts Corporate America anymore, and with good reason. They are not on "our" side and they show they have never been.
Yes, all our troubles are from oil companies making record profits and paying record taxes.

Boo fucking hoo.... This is the end result of unbridled greed and disregard for the actual, real humans, instead of inhuman juristic persona and their sociopathic agendas.
I guess everyone in the Petroleum Engineering departments aren't real humans. :(


Addendum : I don't shop at Wal-Mart due to their sales tax rebate program. Simply put, every bit of sales tax collected at Wal-Marts goes to their corporate bottom line and out of the local area where it is supposed to stay.
Anyone who shops at Wal -Mart, contributes to the decline of local Tax revenue, thus stealing needed revenue from local services.
Yay Sam Walton's Estate. It's PATRIOTIC to rip off the tax man!

Support independant businesses, the job you save may be your neighbors.

What?
 

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My wife works at Ulta, a nationwide beauty supply shop. She is already beating last year's numbers, which beat the previous year's numbers, and will make her November bonus. As crappy as the economy might be, women need their makeup.
 

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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Wreckem


There is likely to be a significant number of national retailers filing Chapter 11 after this holiday season.

Significant? I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two smaller retailers go down, but I don't think we're going to see a repeat of the financial sector.

It's not going to be pretty. "Luxury" retailers are going to be a world of hurt and are already feeling pain. Linens & Things, Sharper Image, Ann Taylor, Zales, and Wilsons Leather are shutting down stores left and right if not outright liquidated. And this doesn't even take into account furniture and home improvement stores that are suffering from the housing downturn.

You'll see other similar retailers experience downturns - all the other little overpriced specialty shops that usually surround them are going to be doing gut checks on a weekly basis as the sales trickle in.

Between tight credit, low consumer confidence, and record unemployment rates it's not going to be a pretty retail quarter. The one that counts the most for many of them. The news the other day showed a quick stat that many consumers are spending around 25% less this year than last for Christmas gifts. That's a hard number for retailers to accept.
 

Gothgar

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Gothgar
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Free Marketers forgot their end of the bargain where they reward their workers for the increased productivity they have managed over the last decade.
That failure, coupled with the massive shift of wealth known as "Record Oil Company Profits" has served to reduce discretionary spending to levels not seen since the early '80s.
They ( the Corporatists) are going to have to increase workers wages substantially before anyone starts spending again.
No one I know trusts Corporate America anymore, and with good reason. They are not on "our" side and they show they have never been.

Boo fucking hoo.... This is the end result of unbridled greed and disregard for the actual, real humans, instead of inhuman juristic persona and their sociopathic agendas.

and how does that make you feel inside?
And your reason for asking would be.... what exactly?

you seem all bent out of shape, if you talk about your problems you'll feel better ;)
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Wreckem


There is likely to be a significant number of national retailers filing Chapter 11 after this holiday season.

Significant? I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two smaller retailers go down, but I don't think we're going to see a repeat of the financial sector.

Everyone but Walmart and Best Buy arent in the best of shape. Most retailers will likely be deeply in the red, and this will cause several to file chapter 11.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: txrandom
Yes, all our troubles are from oil companies making record profits and paying record taxes.
Sarcasm, and conflating an ancillary point do little to advance your position. However, it indicates you are part of that industry and see my observation as "goring your ox".
Your denial of the effect of succesive years of lopsided, out of "normal range" profits on the world economy as a whole does little to actually change anything. Furthermore, no Corporation pays record taxes. They do everything to AVOID paying taxes and increase profits, thus it is more accurate to say the AVOIDED paying record taxes. Finally, as long as they receive a Federal Tax Subsidy, they aren't paying shit like they should.
I guess everyone in the Petroleum Engineering departments aren't real humans. :(
Again, your attempts to link my disdain for Corporate Culture and it's inherent inhumane policies to the people that serve the needs of the beast is misguided. I understand survival, even if it means to appear to capitulate for the moment.
Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Addendum : I don't shop at Wal-Mart due to their sales tax rebate program. Simply put, every bit of sales tax collected at Wal-Marts goes to their corporate bottom line and out of the local area where it is supposed to stay.
Anyone who shops at Wal -Mart, contributes to the decline of local Tax revenue, thus stealing needed revenue from local services.
Yay Sam Walton's Estate. It's PATRIOTIC to rip off the tax man!

Support independant businesses, the job you save may be your neighbors.
Originally posted by: txrandom

What?

Read this and ask your local store. Their answer may surprise you.
I did, and our local Wal-Mart is indeed involved in the Local Tax Refund "Incentive" program. When your local government gives away the largest retailer's tax revenue, and then complains because they don't have any funds anymore, the system is skewed towards those that can rig the system, from within.

 

StageLeft

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Time for a bailout!

I was surprised CA's unemployment is so high. Weather-wise that state rocks HARD, but in so many other ways it is an absolute disaster.

I don't know what to think about AlienCraft's dislike of Walmart, but I won't condemn a guy for caring about something. Heaven knows a lot pisses me off, so :thumbsup: for a reasonable rant.