Wonder why Sony stopped making the FW900 CRT monitor...

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imaheadcase

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I think the better question is when will we have powerful video cards that don't require 2 power plugs and a fan(s) that sounds like a jet engine. I don't see it as progress as making something faster yet using more energy and noise. The fastest cards on the planet 15-20 years ago used no fans, one slot, play all the games on highest settings.

The downside to that age was that video card speed was jumping a LOT faster than it was today, you be lucky to get %15 increase in 1-2 years now. You could prob get than in a few months with the fast changing world. lol
 

Stuka87

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I think the better question is when will we have powerful video cards that don't require 2 power plugs and a fan(s) that sounds like a jet engine. I don't see it as progress as making something faster yet using more energy and noise. The fastest cards on the planet 15-20 years ago used no fans, one slot, play all the games on highest settings.

The downside to that age was that video card speed was jumping a LOT faster than it was today, you be lucky to get %15 increase in 1-2 years now. You could prob get than in a few months with the fast changing world. lol

Uhm, 20 years ago there really was no GPU acceleration. There was like the MACH64 and such from ATI, but it was for 2d acceleration. Mostly to aid in doing graphics work on a computer.

15 years ago 3d GPU's started to take off. 3dFX was in their hay-day, and there was about 20 other GPU companies. However, games were very simple. Quake 1 was not a game that required huge amounts of processing power. I remember playing Quake World (Damn I miss that game) on a ATI Rage Pro Turbo with 6MB of RAM. Then I upgraded to a 8MB Voodoo II and the game would peg out the 72fps game limit at 1024x768.

However, games keep getting more and more advanced. And screen resolutions keep going up and up. 1024x768 has 786,432 pixels. 1920x1080 has 2,073,600 pixels. So obviously 1080 is going to require more hardware. And so long as games keep getting better looking, they will require more GPU power to run.

However it should be noted that todays top GPU's use less power than top end GPU's from a few years ago, yet are way faster at the same time.
 

loafbred

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I was in love with my last Sony 19" CRT, and held onto it until IPS prices came down to the $400 range. I got a HP ZR24w, and once I learned the ins and outs of per-pixel rendering, I wouldn't go back to a CRT for any reason. To avoid input lag and crappy image quality, you have to use per-pixel rendering. I still play old shooters at 1600 x 1200.
 

bryanW1995

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I never owned an FW900 bitd, but, based upon the overwhelming positive comments from past and present owners of them, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one new today (if they were available of course).
 

StinkyPinky

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Are you kidding me?

Even OLEDs can't match CRT superiority.


I've been a Natural Keyboard Elite fan for 15 years and counting :cool:

Thanks for coming forward and starting this topic. For a change :thumbsup:

OLED's destroy CRT's. Being in Las Vegas and all the tech shows that come with it I've seen a lot of OLED's and they're stunning. Color reproduction is beyond peer, crystal sharp pictures, light as a feather, and hardly use any power.

CRT's are gone because they're old obsolete tech.
 

JAG87

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The reason CRTs are gone is because there are a lot of downsides to using CRT tubes, such as EMI, scan rates, phosphor persistance, and so on, there are too many to list.
 

Makaveli

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I'll take my "slow" 65" TV as a monitor over a smaller CRT anyday.

I don't know bro the thought of 1080p on 65 inches kinda grosses me out compared to the clean crisp image you get from an actual computer monitor be it CRT or LCD which allows you to run a much higher res.

Then again I guess it depends on what you are doing that will work if you only play games 7-8 feet away on a couch or just watching movies anything else not so much.
 

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I think it's because a lack of demand and because people don't like the space it takes up. The Picture Quality is very high on that FW900 CRT.
 

2is

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My NEC LCD gets pretty warm too. Really, all of my LCDs have... Dell... Eizo... NEC... All got pretty warm. Couple that with a gaming card, and I only rarely need to run the heat while gaming.

Your LCD may get warm, but the CRT produces way more heat. Heat != operating temperature. Imagine how much cooler an LCD would be to the touch, if it has the large surface area of CRT's to dissipate that heat? Likewise, imagine how much hotter CRT's would be if they only had the surface area of a LCD. When I say surface area, i'm referring to the top of the screen where the heat escapes from
 

uclaLabrat

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14 here.




LOL. CRT's are gone because a $100 LCD is better than those godawful 1024x768@60Hz $150 15" CRTs, not because a $1000 LCD is better than a $1000 CRT.

Most people have never even seen a good CRT. They couldn't afford one.
He was talking about OLEDs, not LCDs....I imagine OLEDS would destroy everything about CRTs.
 

Soundmanred

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I don't know bro the thought of 1080p on 65 inches kinda grosses me out compared to the clean crisp image you get from an actual computer monitor be it CRT or LCD which allows you to run a much higher res.

Then again I guess it depends on what you are doing that will work if you only play games 7-8 feet away on a couch or just watching movies anything else not so much.

Nope, looks amazing, and everyone that comes over is blown away.
I do everything on it @ around 7.5 feet that I did on desktops.
The freedom from a desk and chair is awesome too!
Power recline theater seating with lighted cupholders is a far cry from trying to find a chair comfortable enough to sit in for extended periods of time and true 5.1 surround is a bonus.
Sitting in front of a "small" monitor, no matter the resolution "grosses me out". :)
 

hawtdawg

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If I could get a brand new FW900 I would pick one up, but you can't any more, so that is that. My last good CRT was a Mitsubishi Diamondtron. They deliver superior IQ when brand new, but have their own obvious drawbacks. Most notably size, radiating heat and the picture degrades quickly in my experience.

The next holy grail of monitors will be 120hz IPS panels in 27"+ sizes with high resolutions. There are already some models that this can be done on with modifications, eventually we'll get them from reputable vendors out of the box with those specs I hope.

LCD's are nothing but a stop-gap. It's funny to think that by the end of their life-cycle, they won't have even matched the technology they replaced. Over a decade later and we're still stuck with black levels that can light a room, and sub 1000:1 contrast ratio's.

LCD's of all kind, suck. plain and simple. History will not be kind to them.
 

3DVagabond

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It's cost and profits. An FW900 would cost so much more to produce and ship than even a 30" IPS but couldn't be sold for enough to make up for it. That's why we don't see them anymore.
 

Shephard

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LCD's of all kind, suck. plain and simple. History will not be kind to them.
I'm sorry but only enthusiasts will agree with you.

People who buy TV's or monitors want two things.

Big, but thin.

A flat screen doesn't take up the majority of your desk or living room.

Most people who go buy a TV don't really care about color, blacks, saturation, etc. They want big, 'HD', and CHEAP

With a flat screen they can easily move it around the house if needed and easily get to the back of it. You can also wall mount it.

As already said... CRT's get hot, they get dusty, they take up a ton of room, and if they break they are not worth repairing.

As much as I loved my CRT's for competitive gaming back in the day, I would stay with a flat screen monitor now.
 

hawtdawg

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Once OLED's are the norm, people will be cringing at the black levels of their old LCD sets.
 

Makaveli

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Nope, looks amazing, and everyone that comes over is blown away.
I do everything on it @ around 7.5 feet that I did on desktops.
The freedom from a desk and chair is awesome too!
Power recline theater seating with lighted cupholders is a far cry from trying to find a chair comfortable enough to sit in for extended periods of time and true 5.1 surround is a bonus.
Sitting in front of a "small" monitor, no matter the resolution "grosses me out". :)

Guess it pays to have an HTPC and a desktop PC then so best of both worlds :)
 

Soundmanred

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I'm sorry but only enthusiasts will agree with you.

Yup, 99.999% of people simply don't care about "black levels", perfect color representation, etc.
Enthusiasts tend to believe that they have or know something that the unwashed masses don't and feel that everyone should feel the same. Imagine if we were all enthusiasts about everything? D:
And there are enthusiasts for EVERYTHING.
I used to be into the monitor scene when I did game production (late 90's), but I just grew out of it. We actually had someone come and calibrate our displays once in a while. Used a triple 21" Trinitron setup and liked it, but I wouldn't trade what I have now for it. Hot and heavy would be the nickname for it if I had to give it one. :)

To put it simply: most people DGAF, and they probably shouldn't.
 

Soundmanred

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Guess it pays to have an HTPC and a desktop PC then so best of both worlds :)
That's the great thing, I have zero use for a desktop. It would be a waste of space and money for me. I sat at a desk at work too long to want to do it at home. :)
 

lagokc

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I sold my fork lift the day I tossed my CRT's.

I considered tossing my IBM 21" CRT but decided to set it down gently.

The good: 2048x1536 at 100hz
Bad: I think it weighed something like 90 pounds