Women's National Soccer's unequal pay class action suit thrown out

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pauldun170

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Why would it be a tough sell? They win more, they bring in more money, they should get more of that money. If cuts have to be made then they should be made to the underperforming part, the men's team.

I mean this is just A->B capitalism.

"Cuts" and "adjustments" in large complex organizations require bureaucracy and time.
When you say "cuts" to mens team, that implies
A: Contract negotiation at the end of their current contract.
B: Contract violation.

If the women bring in more revenue in the calendar year, if they did not ask for bonuses tied to revenue in their contract then that money is already flagged to go somewhere else. It's a business.
 

pauldun170

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I understand everyone here wants to do right by the women's team. That the women should receive what they have earned.
No one is arguing about this.

I think the issue is that labor law and contract law is boring and details screw up everyone's desire to move quickly on creating change.
 

fskimospy

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"Cuts" and "adjustments" in large complex organizations require bureaucracy and time.
When you say "cuts" to mens team, that implies
A: Contract negotiation at the end of their current contract.
B: Contract violation.

If the women bring in more revenue in the calendar year, if they did not ask for bonuses tied to revenue in their contract then that money is already flagged to go somewhere else. It's a business.

Right, it means contract negotiation at the end of their current contract. I'm not sure if you've read the thread as I don't see anyone arguing for any contract violations or any alterations to the current pay structure in their current contract.

The argument is that when negotiating their next contract they should ask for more money. After all, it's a business and their labor is more valuable than the men's.

I think you're arguing against things no one is saying?
 

Atreus21

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Seems to me the solution to this problem is to have the men's and women's teams representatives form a joint bargaining committee and have that committee represent both team's interests for the common good.

I think that's part of the problem though. The men's interests seem to differ substantially with the women's. The men wanted a pay-to-play model, whereas the women wanted more static and certain benefits.
 

compcons

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I chose a potion within my company where I am I receive a higher base salary and a lower commission (80/20 of my total pay) rate because I feel it is worth the security of a higher guaranteed pay. Some of my colleagues are paid at a 50/50 rate meaning if we don't sell anything, I get paid more. However, if we sell in excess of our quota, the tables flip and they get paid more. This is compounded the more we sell, such that if we do exceptionally well, they get paid a significant amount more than I do. Its the reward for the risk that they take for a lower base salary. That is, if the men were raking in 5x, then J would call bullshit. But let's be real, this is soccer, not basketball, football or baseball with exponentially more revenue in the industry.

I feel this is similar with these soccer contracts. One group chose a safer bet with less total rewards and another chose to bypass a guaranteed salary in the hopes that they made more as they got bonuses for performance. If the total for the men was several times higher for mediocre performance, I could see an argument for bad pay practices but the totals seem consistent for higher risk resulting in higher pay.
 
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