woman was wrestling with her dogs when they started ‘eating her alive' according to neighbors.

Thebobo

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Boxer mixes? Probably pitbull boxer mix.

"Nancy Cherryl Burgess-Dismuke had been wrestling with her dogs outside a mobile home in South Carolina when neighbors noticed something was wrong — the animals had turned on their owner, authorities said.

Authorities said two of the dogs, both boxer-mixes, became “aggressive” with Burgess-Dismuke and started biting her arms while she was playing with them Thursday in Greenville, not far from the North Carolina border. Neighbors helped pull her away from the dogs and call paramedics, who applied tourniquets to her wounds and rushed her to a nearby hospital, authorities said.

Amber Greer, who called 911, told the Greenville News that, “It went from looking like they were really playing to them really eating her alive.”

Burgess-Dismuke, 52, died of her injuries, police said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/scie...AqPAHNjKzlf364jkp1A53o&utm_term=.936a09f53a1e

I found this interesting there were to labador fatalities? wow.

2017 fatal dog attacks by breed
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Labrador deaths? Wow is all I can say. Mine are fantastic dogs. They would sacrifice themselves to protect my son. Thinking the majority of those were very extreme cases or a case of a mixed breed.

Pibulls also have a bad rap overall because the majority of those cases are poorly trained dogs. A properly trained pitbull can be a fantastic very loyal dog also.

It wouldn't surprise me to see that they were rescues or something else that they had some bad experiences in life. Not saying that rescues are bad, but they need work sometimes. Both of my labs are rescues.

Aw damn, I have to post them.
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Labrador deaths? Wow is all I can say. Mine are fantastic dogs. They would sacrifice themselves to protect my son. Thinking the majority of those were very extreme cases or a case of a mixed breed.

Pibulls also have a bad rap overall because the majority of those cases are poorly trained dogs. A properly trained pitbull can be a fantastic very loyal dog also.

It wouldn't surprise me to see that they were rescues or something else that they had some bad experiences in life. Not saying that rescues are bad, but they need work sometimes. Both of my labs are rescues.

Aw damn, I have to post them.

I had a yellow lab like the one in your pic who kicked the bucket late last year, I guess you could call her a rescue as a neighbor had moved out and left her and a litter of puppies behind, she had dug under the fence and she adopted us as new new owner.

she was a good dog and was a bit needy after being abandoned like she was.
 
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I found this interesting there were to labador fatalities? wow.

2017 fatal dog attacks by breed
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When they say "Fatal Dog Attacks"... Do they mean... well... against their owner ?

Because "fatal dog attacks" in and of itself isn't a bad thing if it's against an intruder.
 
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Personally I don't understand why people like Pit Bulls so much, they are hideous dogs, slobber too much, and are known for this type of behavior. If you want a strong - yet obedient and loyal dog there are much better alternatives.

My brother in law has a pit - and one day they came home to their cat being dead... the pit bull killed it and was basically eating it. Lovely.
 

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Labrador deaths? Wow is all I can say. Mine are fantastic dogs. They would sacrifice themselves to protect my son. Thinking the majority of those were very extreme cases or a case of a mixed breed.

Pibulls also have a bad rap overall because the majority of those cases are poorly trained dogs. A properly trained pitbull can be a fantastic very loyal dog also.

It wouldn't surprise me to see that they were rescues or something else that they had some bad experiences in life. Not saying that rescues are bad, but they need work sometimes. Both of my labs are rescues.

Aw damn, I have to post them.
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I had a black lab, was the best dog I ever had. I couldn't believe that as well.
 

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Personally I don't understand why people like Pit Bulls so much, they are hideous dogs, slobber too much, and are known for this type of behavior. If you want a strong - yet obedient and loyal dog there are much better alternatives.

My brother in law has a pit - and one day they came home to their cat being dead... the pit bull killed it and was basically eating it. Lovely.
That's dogcist.
 
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i would not want to get in a fight with Henry, he is 120 lbs of yard and house protecting machine. Anatolian / Pyrenees mix. He was bread to seek out predators around his flock. He fought off a mountain lion at his previous home, protecting his chickens.
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I have no problem with pits. brother in law has a pit mix and he is the sweetest most snugly boy.
 

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i would not want to get in a fight with Henry, he is 120 lbs of yard and house protecting machine. Anatolian / Pyrenees mix. He was bread to seek out predators around his flock. He fought off a mountain lion at his previous home, protecting his chickens.
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I have no problem with pits. brother in law has a pit mix and he is the sweetest most snugly boy.

I'm sure this lady thought the same until..
 
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Nature vs nuture, guys.

Are you saying that the statistics showing Pit bulls are responsible for more deaths, incidents, etc... by a large margin.... is correlated precisely with their owners being shitty?

I find that kinda hard to believe.... or at the very least, incredibly hard to prove or show statistics for.
 
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Are you saying that the statistics showing Pit bulls are responsible for more deaths, incidents, etc... by a large margin.... is correlated precisely with their owners being shitty?

I find that kinda hard to believe.

I'm saying that stats may reveal that some breeds are more prone to violence than others, yet how they're nutured makes a difference.

My uncle had a pit bull when I was just a wee lad, I rode it around the house.

Pitbulls specifically have a rep of being aggressive, while it may be inherent in their nature, how they're treated, raised, what they're rewarded for, etc...can make a big difference.

Nature vs nuture is psych 101.
 

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This should be a fun thread.

I'm going to leave this here, and watch how this discussion unfolds.

https://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1

yeah, "pit bulls" are fundamentally fantastic dogs, and actually do check off the "great temperament, loyalty, family dog" boxes as much as, if not more than just about any other breed. ....there just happens to be a shit ton of them compared to nearly any other breed but the unique thing about them, is that they have been specifically selected for positive temperament towards humans. No other breed has been subjected to that type of forced selection (this is a rather violent, disturbing process of course: fighting dog, bites the "trainer" once, it is euthanized and not bred--for many generations).

Just looking at those numbers, it sits as high as any other breed within it's same statistical family, of, well let's just say minimum of 200 individuals tested?
 

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Are you saying that the statistics showing Pit bulls are responsible for more deaths, incidents, etc... by a large margin.... is correlated precisely with their owners being shitty?

I find that kinda hard to believe.... or at the very least, incredibly hard to prove or show statistics for.

They are associated with more deaths and incidents overall because there are vastly more of them. The rate of incidents, however, does not track this way. They are actually better than most any breed, per capita.

You are trying to make an argument against breed by using information that merely points to raw population/demographic data.

I think the only good argument to make regarding the real threat of pitbulls is that they absolutely have the tools to do more damage than nearly any other breed. So, on a dog-to-dog, lb-lb basis, an american bull terrier is probably going to bring more hurt, but the significant difference here is that these animals have actually, rather successfully, had that random aggression bred out of them. They have the exact same prey instincts as any other dog, however, so what happens is that most like to ignore that any dog is going to react to the same kid or human it feels is encroaching on its territory, all else being equal.
 
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yeah, "pit bulls" are fundamentally fantastic dogs, and actually do check off the "great temperament, loyalty, family dog" boxes as much as, if not more than just about any other breed. ....there just happens to be a shit ton of them compared to nearly any other breed but the unique thing about them, is that they have been specifically selected for positive temperament towards humans. No other breed has been subjected to that type of forced selection (this is a rather violent, disturbing process of course: fighting dog, bites the "trainer" once, it is euthanized and not bred--for many generations).

Just looking at those numbers, it sits as high as any other breed within it's same statistical family, of, well let's just say minimum of 200 individuals tested?

Yep, well sorta. They were bread for fighting, and then, selected for their personality traits relative to humans.

Pits are also far more popular in poorer areas where violence is higher and so the dogs are taught to be more aggressive. Then, they are mixed with other dogs that are more aggressive and you see a shift in the breed sadly.

I personally quite like pits.

During the first half of the American century, Pit Bulls remained a prominent part of culture. Public attention turned away from fighting dogs and they began to see them as working class companions. The USA admired this breed for qualities that it likened in itself; friendly, brave, hardworking, worthy of respect and they became, the “All American Dog”.
 

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They are associated with more deaths and incidents overall because there are vastly more of them. The rate of incidents, however, does not track this way. They are actually better than most any breed, per capita.

You are trying to make an argument against breed by using information that merely points to raw population/demographic data.

I think the only good argument to make regarding the real threat of pitbulls is that they absolutely have the tools to do more damage than nearly any other breed. So, on a dog-to-dog, lb-lb basis, an american bull terrier is probably going to bring more hurt, but the significant difference here is that these animals have actually, rather successfully, had that random aggression bred out of them. They have the exact same prey instincts as any other dog, however, so what happens is that most like to ignore that any dog is going to react to the same kid or human it feels is encroaching on its territory, all else being equal.
Too bad the data doesn't agree with this. https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/most-popular-dog-breeds-full-ranking-list/

There are far more Labs in the US than pits.
 

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yeah, "pit bulls" are fundamentally fantastic dogs, and actually do check off the "great temperament, loyalty, family dog" boxes as much as, if not more than just about any other breed. ....there just happens to be a shit ton of them compared to nearly any other breed but the unique thing about them, is that they have been specifically selected for positive temperament towards humans. No other breed has been subjected to that type of forced selection (this is a rather violent, disturbing process of course: fighting dog, bites the "trainer" once, it is euthanized and not bred--for many generations).

Just looking at those numbers, it sits as high as any other breed within it's same statistical family, of, well let's just say minimum of 200 individuals tested?

Pit bulls are responsible for 71% of all dog bite fatalities in the US (in 2016). Holy shit. One breed.

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-s...4h31q60VQ5QgL1PNdEqymUSv5HiUTvMcaAo-DEALw_wcB

It may be that pit bulls are wonderful pets, except when they're homicidal. I've read that pit bulls have especially powerful jaws so it may be more about the ability to kill than it is about inclination to kill?