Woman Tracked Down and Busted for Using Restaurant's Customers-Only Bathroom

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Woman Tracked Down and Busted for Using Restaurant's Customers-Only Bathroom

When you gotta go, you gotta go. But sometimes, it’ll cost ya.

That was the lesson one woman learned, in a major way, after making a bathroom pit stop at a local restaurant in Erin, Tennessee.

The bizarre tale began when Patricia Barnes stopped into the Flood Zone to use the restroom, which she did, before leaving without making a purchase. Then, a few days after her powder-room visit, Barnes received a handwritten note—mailed to her home—saying she owed the restaurant $5.

Turns out the local sheriff helped track Barnes down by running her license plate, all as a favor to the owner of the restaurant. The owner was miffed that the non-customer ignored a sign about the bathroom being for customers only, and that non-customers had to pay $5 for the privilege.

Barnes said she wasn’t angry about the bill, which she attempted to pay, twice, and which the Flood Zone owners refused

What did upset her, though, was that the police shared her and husband Randy Edwards’ address with Lisa so she could mail the bill. The couple said they'd had a restraining order against someone in their past, and have been protective about their private information.

“People don’t have the right to just run your tags and give your information out to just anybody,” Edwards told WSMV. According to the Houston County Sheriff, Darrell Allison, though, it was no biggie.

“I would say that happens every day,” he told the TV station. “It’s a very common occurrence.”

But, countered local state Rep. John C. Tidwell, “The way I interpret it, it would be illegal,” he said, explaining that license plate information is to be used only for law enforcement purposes. “The information should not have ever been given over to the business. That is information that is supposed to be dealt with by the state’s agency or the official.”
 

_Rick_

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5 dollars for a wee? I'd order a drink, down it, take the glass to the toilet with me, fill it up again, and leave, with the glass on the table.
 

Jimzz

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Not sure about her state but many states have laws that the business has to let people use your bathroom. Not sure what the fine print is on that as I think it was more meant for the disabled.

But my grip with the story is someone went to a cop and said give me this persons private information, and the cop gave it up. I would sue the cop and police force as most if not all states have laws against that.
 

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But my grip with the story is someone went to a cop and said give me this persons private information, and the cop gave it up. I would sue the cop and police force as most if not all states have laws against that.

I'm not so sure about that. Unless I'm mistaken, registration of license plates are records which can be requested at DMVs. It's easier in some states than in others. But, for example, there's a private road in Toronto. Rather than having tolls, where your vehicle gets on and off is photographed, and the bill is sent to you in the mail. Foreign country - has no problem looking up license plate numbers and registration information for US citizens.
 

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I'm not so sure about that.

It probably depends on the state or jurisdiction, but based on the quote from the state rep John Tidwell in the story, it might be illegal in that state.

I don't think it's appropriate for the sheriff to use law enforcement access to vehicle registration information and give it to a private citizen. What if that citizen was a stalker who wanted to know where that woman lived? Would it be appropriate if I ask a buddy of mine who is an officer to run the tag information about a car that cut me off so I can send them an angry letter? How about running the tags to get the address of a hot girl I saw in a car so I can ask her on a date? Etc etc. The cop has access to that information for law enforcement purposes.

The business owner is a jackass anyway for wasting time and pursuing the matter, but the sheriff should be reprimanded for inappropriate use of police resources and inappropriate release of private information IMO.
 
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robphelan

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i was so hacked off an Anna's Linens for refusing to allow my pregnant wife to use the bathroom - she had to high tail it to a competitor (i forget the name right now) which was down the lot.

She spent >$450 at the competitor - we copied the receipt and sent it off to Anna's Linens corporate office with an FU letter.
 

sunzt

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$5 dolla? That's some expensive toilet paper and water...

omg i have an awesome new business idea....

I'll create a "Starbucks" of bathroom experiences!! Overpriced loos for the win.
 

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i was so hacked off an Anna's Linens for refusing to allow my pregnant wife to use the bathroom - she had to high tail it to a competitor (i forget the name right now) which was down the lot.

She spent >$450 at the competitor - we copied the receipt and sent it off to Anna's Linens corporate office with an FU letter.

And that's how you get the real win :thumbsup:
 

sm625

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Yet one more waste of tax payer dollars. Tax payer dollars should not be used to babysit a private company's bathrooms. For frack sakes wtf is wrong with people....
 
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I'm not so sure about that. Unless I'm mistaken, registration of license plates are records which can be requested at DMVs. It's easier in some states than in others. But, for example, there's a private road in Toronto. Rather than having tolls, where your vehicle gets on and off is photographed, and the bill is sent to you in the mail. Foreign country - has no problem looking up license plate numbers and registration information for US citizens.


I believe all US states stopped this quite some time ago. LEO can access it, but should not be giving the info out to private companies like that.


But hey, when you hire gang members for protection I guess you get special privileges.
 
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Well maybe you shouldn't violate people's bathrooms?


While I agree, I think a LEO using their registration database for private purposes is a far worse 'violation'.


The officer involved should be fired and never allowed to work in law enforcement again.
 

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While I agree, I think a LEO using their registration database for private purposes is a far worse 'violation'.


The officer involved should be fired and never allowed to work in law enforcement again.

What private purposes? What I person walked into a 7/11 and walked out with a big gulp without paying?

Do you think the LEO would be wrong to use the registration database for "private purposes" then?
 
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What private purposes? What I person walked into a 7/11 and walked out with a big gulp without paying?

Do you think the LEO would be wrong to use the registration database for "private purposes" then?


Do you not understand the difference between someone walking out with a stolen drink and using a bathroom in an emergency?

Again, I understand where you're coming from, and maybe if it was some habitual problem I would agree, but what that LEO did is abuse of the system.
 

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What private purposes? What I person walked into a 7/11 and walked out with a big gulp without paying?

Do you think the LEO would be wrong to use the registration database for "private purposes" then?


facepalm

Are you really this stupid to compare criminal stealing with using a bathroom after asking an employee?
 

Phokus

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Nehalem, do you ever have an opinion that isn't completely fucking stupid?
 

xj0hnx

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What private purposes? What I person walked into a 7/11 and walked out with a big gulp without paying?

Do you think the LEO would be wrong to use the registration database for "private purposes" then?

She asked if she could use the restroom, and was told "sure", then a Sheriff uses LEO resources to help his personal friend, the owner, find the person to fine her, and you are trying to compare this to stealing a Big Gulp? Wow.
 

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What private purposes? What I person walked into a 7/11 and walked out with a big gulp without paying?

Do you think the LEO would be wrong to use the registration database for "private purposes" then?

If the cops went after you and arrested you, no. If the cops instead just turned over your info to 7/11, that is clearly misuse of the DMV database for private purposes.

As far as I know, all states (or nearly all states) have this sort of restriction now. It used to be private parties could look up DMV info (we lawyers had it done all the time to skip trace people) but back in the nineties there was a very publicized case in California where a stalker looked up a starlet's info at the DMV and either killed her or sliced her face up, I don't recall.

A local cop is under suspension and prosecution for using DMV records to track down his ex-girlfriend. In my state this sheriff could and would be facing criminal charges for what he did here.
 

Genx87

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I'm not so sure about that. Unless I'm mistaken, registration of license plates are records which can be requested at DMVs. It's easier in some states than in others. But, for example, there's a private road in Toronto. Rather than having tolls, where your vehicle gets on and off is photographed, and the bill is sent to you in the mail. Foreign country - has no problem looking up license plate numbers and registration information for US citizens.

It depends on the state. Many have laws now that unless you are law enforcement or somebody with a law practice. You cant request information about a license plate. I'd imagine these are in response to road ragers finding out who cut them off and where they live.

If TN law is broken. Then I think the sheriff should be punished for breaking the law like you or I.
 

nehalem256

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She asked if she could use the restroom, and was told "sure", then a Sheriff uses LEO resources to help his personal friend, the owner, find the person to fine her, and you are trying to compare this to stealing a Big Gulp? Wow.

... if she payed $5 or made a purchase you mean.

"She was one of these I'm-going-to-do-this-anyway kind of people," Flood Zone proprietor Lisa (who would not give her last name) told Yahoo! Shine. Barnes, she said, came into the restaurant, "looked up at the [wall] menu like she was going to order, said 'Let me just wash my hands,' stayed in the bathroom for, like, 20 minutes," and then left. Lisa explained that she'd only recently put up the sign about the $5 charge, and that it was in response to a broken toilet at the convenience store across the street sending "12 to 15 people a day" to her bathroom, which caused constant messes that no one had time to clean.

She used the facilities of the restaurant without paying the appropriate fee. What would call that?
 

WHAMPOM

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Southern hospitality! This business needs a truck load of feces dumped on their front steps. Better, dumped inside their front door.
 

Genx87

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... if she payed $5 or made a purchase you mean.



She used the facilities of the restaurant without paying the appropriate fee. What would call that?

Holy christ really? This place is fucking stupid for even bothering to collect. They deserve the wrath of public diapproval for this.