Woman tells boss she has been diagnosed with cancer, he responds by firing her

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TeeJay1952

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Had a friend (passed) who when he got his "You have brain cancer" from his doctors, his wife left him. She said "I can't go through this shit." and left. I drove him to radiation for a few months but to no avail. I wonder if he had any rights under American with Disabilities Act? (kidding)
 

IndyColtsFan

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Had a friend (passed) who when he got his "You have brain cancer" from his doctors, his wife left him. She said "I can't go through this shit." and left. I drove him to radiation for a few months but to no avail. I wonder if he had any rights under American with Disabilities Act? (kidding)

That lady deserves to spend an eternity in hell.
 

Londo_Jowo

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We're only really getting one side of the story here and not much detail. As Londo said, it may be that she is already at the point she can no longer work.

Based on the link LTC8K6 posted she had been out for at least a month before the letter was written. Also it looks like the cancer has metastasized and other organs are involved.

Jumper, 51, worked for Visnich for 12 years until last month, when she began having stomach pains and learned she had cancer affecting her pancreas, liver and ovaries, her friend John Barkovich said.

It appears that she has health insurance through the ACA exchange, due to the fact she's not working I have to wonder if she will be able to move over to Medicaid.

https://beavercountian.com/content/...agnosis-incites-outrage-and-calls-for-support

Although Carol Jumper worked full-time for Dr. Visnich, her fiancé said she did not have employer provided healthcare — the woman was able to get insurance on her own through an Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) health plan.
 

IronWing

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That lady deserves to spend an eternity in hell.
Not really. Some people are weak, that is all. Given the divorce rate, people clearly have a vast range of different ideas about what constitutes a marriage and a commitment.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Not really. Some people are weak, that is all. Given the divorce rate, people clearly have a vast range of different ideas about what constitutes a marriage and a commitment.

Sorry, I have to disagree. She deserves to spend an eternity in hell for abandoning someone who doesn't have much time left.
 

Jhhnn

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Had a friend (passed) who when he got his "You have brain cancer" from his doctors, his wife left him. She said "I can't go through this shit." and left. I drove him to radiation for a few months but to no avail. I wonder if he had any rights under American with Disabilities Act? (kidding)

Their relationship was probably tenuous before the diagnosis, more a matter of convenience than affection.
 

Mandres

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Rather than keep her on staff without pay (because she won't be working) the doc lays her off so she can collect unemployment.

I fail to see how that's anything but compassionate, especially considering it may increase the amount he has to pay for unemployment premiums in the future.
 

momeNt

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He would have been well within his rights to terminate her the second she was no longer able to perform her job functions. Doing it because of the diagnosis and not because of performance? Very dumb.

Just like employers are not able to enslave employees, the reverse is also true.
 

Squeetard

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Her boss tried to help her collect benefits and her stupid assed fiance went viral and fucked it all up.
 

Sonikku

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If businesses weren't forced to provide healthcare for their employees, they would be more competitive and you wouldn't have situations like this where employees are thrown out on their asses. Thank the Liberals. Obamacare has also been nothing but a drain on America and should be repealed as well. Nix them both simultaneously and we would dramatically lower health care spending and lower the deficit in one fell swoop. It would be win-win all around.
 

trenchfoot

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At a company I used to work for, if an employee sustained an injury/illness that would prevent them from working for an extended period of time and/or might lead to them eventually becoming unemployable, management would, out of compassion and loyalty, hire a temp to replace the afflicted employee.

Management would then inform the afflicted employee of that hiring, that the employee would remain employed while on medical leave and that although no wages would be paid during their absence, all of the benefits the employee had acquired from working there would still be in effect, including those gained from longevity and incentives until the employee no longer wished to remain employed or until the employee became permanently incapable of performing their duties.

The company would also try to keep the employee working there if said employee sustained a permanent disability that prevented them from doing their primary function but would be able to perform some other job that was available there.

Seems to me the employer in question in this thread could have done this or something similar to it.
 
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Genx87

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Jaskalas

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She would be worried about her job if that is the source of her health insurance.

Under a single payer ssytem the effects of being fired wouldn't be as great.

Agreed, the attachment of health care to employment is a serious problem.
 

Vic

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What is he supposed to do?

He can't print money like the gov does to finance debts.
Maybe he could provide LTD leave like almost almost every other employer does?

In order to qualify as a layoff, this has to coincide with a reduction in force. If he replaces her position, now or in the near future, then she was fired.
 

Vic

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Rather than keep her on staff without pay (because she won't be working) the doc lays her off so she can collect unemployment.

I fail to see how that's anything but compassionate, especially considering it may increase the amount he has to pay for unemployment premiums in the future.
If her condition makes her unable to work, then she would be ineligible for unemployment benefits. And, in that case, any attempt to collect UE benefits would be fraud. If her employer did actually try to help her get UE, then all he did was double down on his stupid.
 

BoberFett

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It isn't 'a' serious problem, it is THE problem with health care in the US today.

Of course the reason that it's tied to employment to begin with is because of government stupidity. So obviously the answer is to double down and bet on government to fix it.
 

LucJoe

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His lawyer claims he laid her off as a courtesy so she would be eligible for unemployment benefits while fighting cancer. Seems legit, he could have just as easily fired her with no reason at all.

Maybe this is truly a better option especially if he has no LTD plan
 

Vic

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Of course the reason that it's tied to employment to begin with is because of government stupidity. So obviously the answer is to double down and bet on government to fix it.
I want a free market solution, thank you very much, but the only way that can work is through having a shared risk pool.. which would have to be regulated by some entity. If you have a better idea than government, by all means clue us in.
Oh, and that's why people get health insurance through their employers in the first place.. to join a larger risk pool than they can otherwise on their own. Government subsidies reinforce that situation but it didn't create it.
 
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DCal430

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Based on the link LTC8K6 posted she had been out for at least a month before the letter was written. Also it looks like the cancer has metastasized and other organs are involved.



It appears that she has health insurance through the ACA exchange, due to the fact she's not working I have to wonder if she will be able to move over to Medicaid.

https://beavercountian.com/content/...agnosis-incites-outrage-and-calls-for-support


No she doesn't qualify for medicaid and she doesn't qualify for any tax credits, this a-hole doctor screwed her over. She has to pay for her medical insurance all by her self, she probably has no income after paying her medical insurance.
 

DCal430

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His lawyer claims he laid her off as a courtesy so she would be eligible for unemployment benefits while fighting cancer. Seems legit, he could have just as easily fired her with no reason at all.

Maybe this is truly a better option especially if he has no LTD plan

Wtf she gets unemployment but loses her medical insurance. F-ed up.
 

DCal430

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Rather than keep her on staff without pay (because she won't be working) the doc lays her off so she can collect unemployment.

I fail to see how that's anything but compassionate, especially considering it may increase the amount he has to pay for unemployment premiums in the future.

Because she lost her medical insurance, he could have kept her on, continue to pay for her medical care, and wage. Now she has low pay unemployment and needs to pay for her healthcare entirely out of pocket. Her health insurance will be at least 1/2 of her unemployment check. Disgusting "doctor".
 

LTC8K6

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No she doesn't qualify for medicaid and she doesn't qualify for any tax credits, this a-hole doctor screwed her over. She has to pay for her medical insurance all by her self, she probably has no income after paying her medical insurance.

Under PPACA?

That doesn't sound right.
 

DCal430

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Under PPACA?

That doesn't sound right.

You must have earned income at least above poverty to qualify for tax credit. Medicaid expansion was suppose to cover people like this, but the right wing in Pennsylvania have denied the expansion.
 

DCal430

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There is a single payer system in PA, like all states.

http://www.dpw.state.pa.us/foradults/healthcaremedicalassistance/

Without a job she would qualify for Medicaid. Is this a shitty situation? Absolutely. But there are options for her end of life care to be covered by the tax payer.

You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about. She does NOT qualify for medicaid, not having a job is not a qualification for medicaid. Pennsylvania is a red state and blocks medicaid for those who are unable to work.