This is an issue of law, not opinion. You can all claim til the cows come home that what was done was justified... Laws and the first amendment say otherwise. If these rights were purposely ignored(like you seem to support), she has every right to sue. Typical.
"who often disagree with you shouldnt give our opinions? "
If your "opinion" is contrary to what is established U.S. law and the first amendment, then yes, please do not waste our time with your "opinion."
palehorse
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hey space cadet, stop sniffing glue! The LAW already prevailed in this case when the ticket was thrown out in court! You see, the justice system and the Constitution actually work regardless of how many idiot cops there are! imagine that!
Nice try attempting to paint me with an unconstitutional brush! I already stated that I couldn't care less what is written on bumper stickers. The only thing in the entire world that genuinely offends me is bonafied ignorance.
what a joke.
The fact remains that after the ticket was rightly dismissed, there is no justification for a lawsuit seeking financial damages! it's a frivolous and obnoxious move on the part of the supposed "victim." Will millions of dollars awarded to the lady somehow make up for the ignorance of the cop who issued the stupid ticket? i bet that you can somehow see a connection...
Which law? The dismissal of the ticket for the non-existent law or the false arrest. And before you go nuts over that, the fact that he stopped her at all constituted a technical arrest, and she was further inconvenienced by having to appear in court to contest the ticket.
He didn't have to. You did it all by yourself.
The best the cop could plead would be ingnorance of the repeal of the law, but that doesn't relieve him or his employer from liablity for the cop's actions. The cop was responsible for knowing the law, and his actions were under the color of authority.
You agree that the ticket, itself, was rightly dismissed, but there are larger issues worthy of consideration. The woman was unjustly detained and inconvenienced, and it cost her time and probably some money to fight it. It's certainly enough that I don't think your name calling was called for.
Peace out on this one.
Actually believe it or not a lot of 'frivalous' lawsuits that are portrayed like so in the media sometimes have a lot more behind them then normal. For now I will give this lady the benefit of the doubt.
Remember the lawsuit of the lady who burned herself with McDonald's coffee that was 'too hot'? Well I found out what the actual merits of the lawsuit were and it turned out that the particular McDs that she went to had close to 100 complaints that the coffee was too hot. Now what constitutes 'too hot'? Basically the establishment was brewing coffee over 30 degrees that MAXIMUM temperature allowed by the government regulations. So the lawsuit won due to the fact that this McDs blatently ignored the law, so they were taught a lesson.
A bit presumptuous, aren't you? Who said anything about millions? Unless I missed something in the story, there's no mention of any dollar amount, just the fact that she's filed a suit.
Interesting that you're opposed to allowing the courts to do their legally mandated job of determining what, if any, compensation would be appropriate for and/or as any punitive sanction against the cop and his employer for his illegal actions.
Are you willing to let the cop off with a slap on the wrist? If you think this is so petty, are you willing to allow police officers to abuse their authority and intimidate an entire group of citizens with whom they disagree with repeated incidents of nickel dime harrassment?
What would you want if they hauled your ass into court just to defend your own Constitutionally protected right to free speech?
If you think it's OK, I volunteer you to pay all the fines and legal costs for everyone so harrassed or intimidated. :roll:
If you don't think it's OK, your post is the crock.
Sheik Yerbouti
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Maybe the next time one of the neo-con cops gets a hardon over an anti-dumbya sticker and wants to bust the driver, they'll not only remember that they'll get busted down in rank, there will be a trial for false arrest, so yea, that might solve the f'n problem.
OutHouse
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i missed that, didnt read further into the thread. however i still dont belive this is justification for taking this to a lawsuit. so she got a citation that was throw out big fricken deal. now if she was wrongly charged, convicted and sent to prison for a crime she didnt commit, well thats lawsuit material.
umbrella39
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From the facts we know it appears she was given the citation because she was "driving while Democrat" a lawsuit is appropriate.
This story is similar to the stories out there of Secret Service, or more likely Republican operatives pretending to be Secret Service, agents "arresting" people who are wearing a tee shirt or have a bumper sticker that is objectionable to the President or his people and then after a day or so the charges are "suprisingly" dropped.
A good healthy settlement might, but I douybt it, put the fear of the Constitution and laws back into some of these doinks!
Thump553
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I can give you one right off the bat without any research-when Cynthia Sheehan was busted and hauled out of the State of the Union audience for wearing an anti-Iraq War T-shirt, while a Congressman's wife wearing a "Support Our Troops" one was allowed to stay.
Arrest now, take them off the streets and drop charges later is a frequently used tactic against protestors in order to effectvely supress public displays of dissent. Catch and release is a fine fishing practice, but it is substantially less acceptable as a tactic of suppression of public opinion. Unfortunately the arrestees rarely have any effective recourse.
palehorse
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Read the following quote again, and please note the use of plurals:
So, like I said, give us two or more examples of similar abuse by the Secret Service?
The Cindy Sheehan example is one (and a weak one at that given her fanatical nature).
So give us another, or else PELarson needs to stop the plural exagerations. (aka rhetoric)
thanks.
palehorse
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so we're comparing disorderly conduct and verbal heckling of the CINC to a bumper sticker that says "BUSH*T"??
The same thing would happen to people heckling Oprah at a press conference and then wrestling with her security guards after being asked to leave...
lol.. you guys are too much.
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