You're in a job that involves serving your country, right? And you're one of the biggest Bush supporters I've seen on here. So let me ask you this, do you think it's appropriate or in keeping with your duty if you let your personal political beliefs dictate how you do your job? I can't imagine you would. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of lawsuits, and this one in particular does not seem to involve a lot of pain and suffering, but I like to think of it in terms of punishing a system stupid enough to have cops like this.
Like Rainsford said, this is one of the few frivolous lawsuit I actually support.
Teach them a lesson while at it.
Teach them a lesson while at it.
ProfJohn
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Maybe someone should get a bumper sticker with pictures of people in white hoods on them and some totally crazy slogan about hanging black people or something else totally offensive and see how the ACLU and the left reacts to that.
Where do we draw the line on what people can and can?t say in public? ?Impeach Bush? bumpers stickers, sure why not. But ?I?m tired of all the BuShit? is inappropriate just because of the use of the word ?******? in it. Clever yes, acceptable in public no. How many of us would want to explain that bumper sticker to a 5 year old.
Her suing just shows that she is some off the wall leftist trying to make a statement and nothing else.
Where do we draw the line on what people can and can?t say in public? ?Impeach Bush? bumpers stickers, sure why not. But ?I?m tired of all the BuShit? is inappropriate just because of the use of the word ?******? in it. Clever yes, acceptable in public no. How many of us would want to explain that bumper sticker to a 5 year old.
Her suing just shows that she is some off the wall leftist trying to make a statement and nothing else.
Bowfinger
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That statement, of course, being that in spite of people like that cop, she still has a United States Constitution First Amendment right to freedom of speech, specifically freedom of political speech. It's a lesson that too many of the Bush zealots seem to have forgotten. Will some people find it offensive? Sure. Too bad. If you never encounter anything in your community that offends you, you're not living in a truly free society.
I don't care what's on your bumper, but you better damned well not get a traffic ticket over it.
Maybe have some actual KKK members try to march right through a Jewish neighborhood, and see how the ACLU handles *that*.
Oh, that's right, we did see how they handled it - they fought for the marchers, and lost a lot of their Jewish contributors.
Funny, but not surprisingly, you and the courts disagree since the statue was apparently already ruled to violate free speech.
I find the bumper sticker in poor taste; I don't want it on my car, despite my view that the Bush administration is a criminal danger to our nation. However, unlike some, I don't equate what I find in bad taste with what the state should use its police powers to suppress. I support her right to that sticker. The rights of adults to express themselves are not drawn at the point of what it's nice to explain to 5 year olds.
So, where do we draw the line? You could have a big 10 foot sign driven down the street with the f word, and profanities blaring from a loudspeaker.
I'd have to think about where to split the hair. I've actually thought about what the law should be regarding a guy reading an adult magazine on the subway (splitting the hair?)
I'm still considering the topic, but I'd put the line well more liberal than you. But this isn't about that issue; that issue is settled in the law for this situation.
This is about a cop violating his authority by issuing a ticket for a non-criminal matter.
One loudmouth above (not John) posts how because she was found not guilty she should be glad.
I'd like to see him given a ticket for a pro-Bush bumper sticker by a liberal cop who thought any pro-Bush message is offensive, have him go to court, and not complain.
Cops are among the public servants that should be made to pay a price for abusing their authority. I have been to DeKalb county too, and I doubt his superiors would do anything on their own, and would allow it to happen again. Perhaps this woman's actions will make the county safe for bumper stickers (and freedom of speech) again.
Those of you that blow this off as inconsequential have no appreation of the freedoms you have, and therefore should not even be considered to have anything worthy to contribute. If you do not understand the subject matter, just quietly observe and learn.
Those of you that blow this off as inconsequential have no appreation of the freedoms you have, and therefore should not even be considered to have anything worthy to contribute. If you do not understand the subject matter, just quietly observe and learn.
I thought it was illegal to have a bumper sticker w/ the word Sh*t on it. If not, throw the ticket out. Emotional distress = excuse for big money. In the end, the lawyers and the plaintiff win while everyone else loses.
ericlp
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Cry Sob... It's a right of free speech, now you want to censor what you can put on your bumper? I'll put whatever I want on my bumper ... Thank you very much... I was gonna go online and buy the same one to put on my own bumper...
So what? Who cares what you have on your bumper. Uh, White Hoods and hanging black people is maybe your fantasy but it doesnt even relate to a Bish*t bumper sticker. If you can relate those together then you have a serious problem. I guess you don't mind the how is my driving ? 1800 eat sh*t bumper stickers? Guess nothing wrong with those eh? Seen tons of those... How do you explain that to your six your old? Damn... Wake up.... And for god sake don't vote repub!!!
Where do we draw the line? Well, I'm sure you'd love to draw all over it as long as it fits your needs or ideas. Free Speech ... Get use to it I suppose. Enjoy what rights we have left that is before the bush admin and professor take em all away...
Thump553
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The policeman charged her under a statute that was voided 16 years ago. Everyone is supposed to know the laws (remember the maxim ignorance of the law is no excuse) but police officers, as agents of the state, are certainly supposed to know the law.
Frankly in my professional opinion she has an excellent basis for a lawsuit, it's almost a slam dunk on liability. The measure of damages is a different issue.
Sometimes posters here let their political bias overwhelm their ability to think rationally. If you were arrested and charged under a statute that did not exist, don't you think you should have some recourse for that false arrest?
Frankly in my professional opinion she has an excellent basis for a lawsuit, it's almost a slam dunk on liability. The measure of damages is a different issue.
Sometimes posters here let their political bias overwhelm their ability to think rationally. If you were arrested and charged under a statute that did not exist, don't you think you should have some recourse for that false arrest?
Did you miss the part where the law allows her bumper sticker? Your attempt at censureship is not surprising to me.
Maybe you should learn to read. The ACLU has a long history of defending unpopular and even tasteless causes in the name of preserving all of our rights under the Constitution.
Even bumbling, babbling boobs like you have the right to blow your smoke and spew your continuous stream of lies.
And who the fsck appointed you the official guardian of public taste? :roll:
Since you're too illiterate to read or understand it, let alone explain it, I guess I'll have to volunteer to try.
Aw... That explains it. She MUST be a < shudder > LEFTIST! You forgot LIBUHRULL, COMMIE and PINKO. :shocked:
You also forgot courageous defender of the U.S. Constitution, but nobody expects you to understand that.
Free speech is the big winner. The only reason she is suing for emotional distress is so she has standing in the court case. If she didn't have any damages she couldn't sue and make a point. The ACLU isn't out to make a buck on this case.
palehorse
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I believe that I resemble that "loudmouth." So, would I complain? sure I would! but I would do so with an editorial in the paper and a letter to the officer's supervisor in hopes of seeing the ignorant officer disciplined. And if that didnt work, I would continue writing letters or posting fliers until something was done.
What I would not do is SUE FOR DAMAGES over the issue! I'm sorry, but there is no justification for this whiny #%#%'s financial lawsuit.
That said, I see nothing wrong with the BUShit bumper sticker, or any other...
"What I would not do is SUE FOR DAMAGES over the issue!"
Well, since you weren't involved, why should we care what you would do? You seem to think your opinion is the end all.. similar to ProfJohn.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe someone should get a bumper sticker with pictures of people in white hoods on them and some totally crazy slogan about hanging black people or something else totally offensive and see how the ACLU and the left reacts to that.
If the left are the only defenders of freedom of speech, then we have a huge problem here...
Maybe someone should get a bumper sticker with pictures of people in white hoods on them and some totally crazy slogan about hanging black people or something else totally offensive and see how the ACLU and the left reacts to that.
If the left are the only defenders of freedom of speech, then we have a huge problem here...
the initial stop was made to enforce a non-existant law. That is in violation of her rights, is it not?
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