Woman kills 7 newborn babies - leaves them in boxes

[DCal430]

Every state allows abortion up to the moment of birth for depression, and a few allow it for any reason.

 

[CountZero]

why is this such a big deal?

If she had done the same thing a month earlier, it would have been her "right". Why is killing a baby after it pops out so outrageous but killing the same baby 30 days earlier is acceptable?

Whoa, an ignorant abortion post from a right winger?! Shocked, I am shocked. It is almost as if you have no idea what the arguments are on either side or that an 8 month abortion wouldn't be legal.

Let's pretend you don't know. The central argument is that a fetus isn't a person, period. That's it. Either you think it is a person or you don't and that informs your opinion on the matter.

But, unless you are a total idiot, you already know this. So your question is absolutely pointless.

 

[DCal430]

Whoa, an ignorant abortion post from a right winger?! Shocked, I am shocked. It is almost as if you have no idea what the arguments are on either side or that an 8 month abortion wouldn't be legal.

Let's pretend you don't know. The central argument is that a fetus isn't a person, period. That's it. Either you think it is a person or you don't and that informs your opinion on the matter.



But, unless you are a total idiot, you already know this. So your question is absolutely pointless.

Abortions at 8 months are legal

 

[Jaskalas]

So who wants to give her #8? ()

 

[CountZero]

Abortions at 8 months are legal

Not in Utah, or most states, unless there's some kind of complication.

 

[DCal430]

Not in Utah, or most states, unless there's some kind of complication.

Abortion is legal at 8 months in every state if a woman claims to be depressed over having a child. Some states it is legal for any reason.

 

[CountZero]

Abortion is legal at 8 months in every state if a woman claims to be depressed over having a child. Some states it is legal for any reason.

Link to an instance of 8 month abortion over depression in one of the 41 states with term limits?

 

[Oldgamer]

Abortions at 8 months are legal

Not in Texas. Up to 20 weeks only.

 

[DCal430]

Link to an instance of 8 month abortion over depression in one of the 41 states with term limits?

The Supreme Court has struck down all bans on late term abortions for reasons of mental health including depression.

 

[Oldgamer]

The Supreme Court has struck down all bans on late term abortions for reasons of mental health including depression.

Not in Texas, and please link us your sources.

 

[DCal430]

Not in Texas, and please link us your sources.

Yes they have.

 

[CountZero]

Yes they have.

Oooh, so close but the judges have ruled that "Yes they have" is not a legitimate source backing up your claims. However they have said you may give another answer, do you have a source?

 

[DCal430]

In the case of Doe v Bolton in 1973 struct down all restrictions on abortions for reasons of mental and physical health. Mental health includes depression.

 

[DCal430]

No one here can provide a single link to any law that denies late term abortions for mental health reasons. There are no such laws.

 

[Red Squirrel]

It's not murder, it's just post birth abortion, completely legal!

On serious note, that is just terrible.

 

[MrDudeMan]

No one here can provide a single link to any law that denies late term abortions for mental health reasons. There are no such laws.

Link

In its landmark 1973 abortion cases, the U.S. Supreme Court held that a woman’s right to an abortion is not absolute and that states may restrict or ban abortions after fetal viability, provided that their policies meet certain requirements. ...

HIGHLIGHTS:
 41 states prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy.
 21 states impose prohibitions at fetal viability.
 3 states impose prohibitions in the third trimester.
 17 states impose prohibitions after a certain number of weeks; 9 of these states ban abortion at 20 weeks post-fertilization or its equivalent of 22 weeks after the woman’s last menstrual period on the grounds that the fetus can feel pain at that point in gestation.
 The circumstances under which later abortions are permitted vary from state to state.
 26 states permit later abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman.
 11 states unconstitutionally ban later abortions, except those performed to save the life or physical health of the woman.
 4 states unconstitutionally limit later abortions to those performed to save the life of the woman.
 Some states require the involvement of a second physician when a later-term abortion is performed.
 12 states require that a second physician attend the procedure to treat a fetus if it is born alive in all or some circumstances.
 9 states unconstitutionally require that a second physician certify that the abortion is medically necessary in all or some circumstances.

I see where it says some of the statutes conflict with the supreme court's decision, but they're still laws at this moment. Some of them are also completely valid and legal.

 

[Oldgamer]

No one here can provide a single link to any law that denies late term abortions for mental health reasons. There are no such laws.

Texas abortion bill that states no abortion after 20 weeks http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/HB02364I.HTM

 

[momeNt]

None categorically outlaw late term abortions. That was his point. There are always exceptions even in the Texas law.

 

[Oldgamer]

None categorically outlaw late term abortions. That was his point. There are always exceptions even in the Texas law.

Sure an extreme case but there is pretty much a ban in effect for someone deciding in the second or third trimester that they are suddenly not wanting a baby. It is highly unusual and most doctors will not perform late term abortions. A mother who may die giving birth under certain circumstances would be where an exception would be made. It would be very difficult to prove that depression alone would allow for this, and I guarantee you in Texas the woman would have to be classified as being insane and harmful to herself before they would consider it. If she is that far along they would have her in a psychiatric facility and chemically restrained.

 

[Humpy]

I'm struggling thinking it was probably for the best. If she hadn't and raised them..we'd probably have 7 future serial killers on the loose.

I don't think it's a struggle to say that, in the big picture, she did the right thing. The environment where this occurred is simply unsuitable for successful human reproduction.

 

[MrPickins]

For fucks sake, people, can we keep the P&N out of OT?

Does everything have to be about politics and bickering back and forth?

 

[MongGrel]

I saw that earlier today and was trying to forget about it.

 

[DCal430]

Texas abortion bill that states no abortion after 20 weeks http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/HB02364I.HTM

And this law is being taken to the courts, it's only time before the courts do to this law, what they have done to every law that attempted to do the same thing, and strike it down.

 

[Conroe]

She is eligible for a post-birth abortion as well.

 

[rh71]

I'm struggling thinking it was probably for the best. If she hadn't and raised them..we'd probably have 7 future serial killers on the loose.

She already has 3 kids, 1 a teenager already.