Woman has affair, gets caught by husband. She says she's being raped and her husband shoots and kills the man.

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PingSpike

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TheNinja
He fired at a moving vehicle that had his wife in it? Sounds to me like this guy may have known something fishy was going on and went on a rampage. He probably didn't care who he hit at the time, and now he's jumping for joy at what has unfolded.

To be fair, when people are kidnapped its a fairly safe bet they'll turn up dead or not at all. I'm not sure if firing shots at a vehicle his wife was in was a smart move or not, but I can understand why some one might make that choice.
 

toolboxolio

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Looks karma pwned both those lying, cheatin SOB's.

Sweet sweet justice for the husband who was trying to protect his family.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: Night201
Does he get his $100,000 bail money back? I'd be requesting that back so fast!

Yes, but usually what happens is you pay a bail bondman a percentage (~10%) to put up the bail for you, and they get to keep the percentage when your bail is refunded (either because the charges were dropped or you were sentenced). If you skip bail, the bail bondsman sends Dog the Bounty Hunter after you.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sandorski
They both should be charged.


I guess you would just let some guy rape your wife and drive off, kidnapping her and probably killing her....nice.

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say they both should be charged, but a crime of passion is a crime of passion. If they did charge/convict the husband, I would hope they would give him the most lenient punishment every imaginable for any action that resulted in the taking of a life. The wife deserves REALLY DESERVES to be punished as strictly as possible for her actions.

Realize that just because an action is justifiable or just amazingly agreeable doesn't mean it does not have bad consequences. I'd have shot the Fvcker too.

Did you read the story? The woman screamed rape. He didn't shoot the guy because he was banging his wife consensually behind his back. He shot the guy because his wife claimed he was trying to abduct and rape her.

Yes I did, and like I said, if I believed someone was raping my wife, I'd shoot them given the opportunity. But the calm me right now knows that if I shot someone there will be consequences. In this case the guy gets off (situation well... worked to his advantage) but there's still three kids somewhere who while they had a scumbag (well, possibly who knows if he knew the chick was married) for a dad, they still had a dad and now they don't. It could just as well have been having public opinion on his side as he does know and still find himself in court.

I'm not saying crime of passion in that he was outraged because his wife was cheating on him, but a crime of passion in that in a moment of rage and attempt to defend his wife and given the opportunity in the moment he acted out.

So you're saying if you somehow remained completely calm and rational throughout seeing your wife "abducted" you wouldn't shoot because of the consequences? So you'd rather live with knowing that your wife was raped/murdered and you could have done something about it. Interesting.
 

Luthien

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Feb 1, 2004
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Messed up you gotta feel sorry for the guy she got killed so she is responsible for her actions.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sandorski
They both should be charged.


I guess you would just let some guy rape your wife and drive off, kidnapping her and probably killing her....nice.

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say they both should be charged, but a crime of passion is a crime of passion. If they did charge/convict the husband, I would hope they would give him the most lenient punishment every imaginable for any action that resulted in the taking of a life. The wife deserves REALLY DESERVES to be punished as strictly as possible for her actions.

Realize that just because an action is justifiable or just amazingly agreeable doesn't mean it does not have bad consequences. I'd have shot the Fvcker too.

Did you read the story? The woman screamed rape. He didn't shoot the guy because he was banging his wife consensually behind his back. He shot the guy because his wife claimed he was trying to abduct and rape her.

Yes I did, and like I said, if I believed someone was raping my wife, I'd shoot them given the opportunity. But the calm me right now knows that if I shot someone there will be consequences. In this case the guy gets off (situation well... worked to his advantage) but there's still three kids somewhere who while they had a scumbag (well, possibly who knows if he knew the chick was married) for a dad, they still had a dad and now they don't. It could just as well have been having public opinion on his side as he does know and still find himself in court.

I'm not saying crime of passion in that he was outraged because his wife was cheating on him, but a crime of passion in that in a moment of rage and attempt to defend his wife and given the opportunity in the moment he acted out.

Actually, the more I think about it...the more his actions were the correct, logical ones given what he thought was happening. If his wife was being kidnapped, there is a very good chance she would have turned up dead. This may have been his only opportunity to prevent that. Presuming he knew himself to be a reasonably good shot and that the vehicle was fairly close (seems a fair assumption to me) it would have been worth the risk of accidentally hitting her.
 

oogabooga

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Jan 14, 2003
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sandorski
They both should be charged.


I guess you would just let some guy rape your wife and drive off, kidnapping her and probably killing her....nice.

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say they both should be charged, but a crime of passion is a crime of passion. If they did charge/convict the husband, I would hope they would give him the most lenient punishment every imaginable for any action that resulted in the taking of a life. The wife deserves REALLY DESERVES to be punished as strictly as possible for her actions.

Realize that just because an action is justifiable or just amazingly agreeable doesn't mean it does not have bad consequences. I'd have shot the Fvcker too.

Did you read the story? The woman screamed rape. He didn't shoot the guy because he was banging his wife consensually behind his back. He shot the guy because his wife claimed he was trying to abduct and rape her.

Yes I did, and like I said, if I believed someone was raping my wife, I'd shoot them given the opportunity. But the calm me right now knows that if I shot someone there will be consequences. In this case the guy gets off (situation well... worked to his advantage) but there's still three kids somewhere who while they had a scumbag (well, possibly who knows if he knew the chick was married) for a dad, they still had a dad and now they don't. It could just as well have been having public opinion on his side as he does know and still find himself in court.

I'm not saying crime of passion in that he was outraged because his wife was cheating on him, but a crime of passion in that in a moment of rage and attempt to defend his wife and given the opportunity in the moment he acted out.

So you're saying if you somehow remained completely calm and rational throughout seeing your wife "abducted" you wouldn't shoot because of the consequences? So you'd rather live with knowing that your wife was raped/murdered and you could have done something about it. Interesting.

No I am not. But please feel free to quote small sections of what I say and infer an extreme conclusion regardless of the context of what I mentioned. Even if it contradicts something I may have said right before what you bolded. See I can bold too.

Saying that at this moment, thinking about it I realize there would be consequences is NOT me saying that if my wife were to be abducted I would sit there thinking "What is the logical thing to do". Saying that I realize now there are consequences is not the same as saying I wouldn't do it because of the consequences.

I WOULD SHOOT HIM, in fact I have gone so far as to say as much. Is the guys action's justifiable? Most definitely, There's no way he knew his wife was lying. Is he completely blameless? I would say no, and that the two are not one in the same. I don't think he deserves to be charged (which he isn't going to be) but if he was to be charged I think it should be....
 

Kadarin

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Nov 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Very nice how this is turning out so far. Other guy didn't deserve to get killed though, IMO.

Agreed. However, if he knew the woman was married, then IMO he's not completely innocent here. I believe that it's wrong to have sex with a married woman without the permission of her husband.

That guy's kids are the real victims here.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Very nice how this is turning out so far. Other guy didn't deserve to get killed though, IMO.

Agreed. However, if he knew the woman was married, then IMO he's not completely innocent here. I believe that it's wrong to have sex with a married woman without the permission of her husband.

That guy's kids are the real victims here.

I don't know why, but that struck me as hilarious :laugh:
 

Minjin

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Jan 18, 2003
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I think you guys are thinking of an extreme, movie-like shoot out here. More than likely:

-the guy parked in his driveway
-observed his wife and some strange guy in a truck
-wife spots him and with quick thinking, yells that she is being raped
-boyfriend thinks OH NO and tries to back out
-husband is probably at very close range, shooting at a barely moving vehicle that has large windows
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

Wasn't in the right? He didn't have a right to shoot someone he thinks is attacking his wife?

Are you a total liberal? Or just retarded? Of course he has a right to defend himself, or those nearest to him, provided he has witnesses.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

Wasn't in the right? He didn't have a right to shoot someone he thinks is attacking his wife?

Are you a total liberal? Or just retarded? Of course he has a right to defend himself, or those nearest to him, provided he has witnesses.

Yup. From the article:

"If a person has a reasonable belief that he needs to defend someone based on a fact that later turns out to be false, that does not take away that justification for him," Colston said. "If a person has a reasonable belief that their actions are necessary, they can be afforded self-defense and defense of a third party."
 

Number1

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Feb 24, 2006
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I wonder if the husband carrries a gun with him at all time or just for that occasion?
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Number1
I wonder if the husband carrries a gun with him at all time or just for that occasion?

probably all the time.

of course, if he was getting suspicious that she was cheating on him he might have had it just for the occasion. now there is an interesting fact pattern. i'd hate to answer that one on the bar. (i'm gonna go with attempted murder for $500, alex)
 

Whisper

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Feb 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

Wasn't in the right? He didn't have a right to shoot someone he thinks is attacking his wife?

Are you a total liberal? Or just retarded? Of course he has a right to defend himself, or those nearest to him, provided he has witnesses.

Yup. From the article:

"If a person has a reasonable belief that he needs to defend someone based on a fact that later turns out to be false, that does not take away that justification for him," Colston said. "If a person has a reasonable belief that their actions are necessary, they can be afforded self-defense and defense of a third party."

It looked, at least to me, like iamwiz was attempting to make the same point put forth by the passage quoted by NSF...i.e., that the husband had a right to defend his wife with lethal force.

I'm what I would consider fairly liberal in many situations, but in this instance, I don't feel the husband should be charged with anything, assuming Texas law allows the use of lethal force in an attempt to protect yourself or a third party. And, judging by the article, it seems that it does.

The guy couldn't get in touch with his wife, drove home, found her in a truck half-naked with a strange man, heard her say she was being raped, and then saw the two of them begin to drive away. It's not like he had a whole lot of time to debate his options.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Fayd
good, her husband wasnt exactly in the right, but i cant fault his actions.

she's a tramp, whore, bitch...yeah.

Wasn't in the right? He didn't have a right to shoot someone he thinks is attacking his wife?

Are you a total liberal? Or just retarded? Of course he has a right to defend himself, or those nearest to him, provided he has witnesses.

You either quoted the wrong post or you're an idiot.