Thebobo
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Helps pass the days when you have less ribs and no women around...
On another note, the new emojis suck.
where?
Helps pass the days when you have less ribs and no women around...
On another note, the new emojis suck.
The new emojis on this forum, we lost a lot of our good ones from the past.where?
It is an apple ffs.
Never been on a flight that gives fresh fruit, only peanuts and pretzels. If its illegal for the fruit to leave the plane at its destination, then I don't think they should carry it on the plane.
I can understand why the lady might not have been thinking about declaring it.
2) Unclear custom forms. I can't think of a single international trip that I've made (I've been on dozens) where I didn't leave at least one line blank because it was unclear. Then I ask the agent for clarification before handing in the form and answer appropriately. Even worse, now they are switching to no agents to ask.
She didn't use a form. The GE kiosks asks if you have any food and gives an example like 'fruit, vegetables' etc. Its very clear
Like I said in the very text you quoted, it is even worse with a kiosk since you have no one to answer your questions.She didn't use a form. The GE kiosks asks if you have any food and gives an example like 'fruit, vegetables' etc. Its very clear
Just tell them that you're smuggling the fruit of the loom guys in on your waistband and see what they say.Like I said in the very text you quoted, it is even worse with a kiosk since you have no one to answer your questions.
And no, I do not think it is very clear. The US kiosk is better than many other countries, but the wording is still very much murky.
- What is an animal product? Do leather coats/purses/wallets/shoes count?
- What is soil? A bit of dirt on your boots? Dust on your pants?
- What is a farm/ranch/pasture? If you are in a public park and a small flock of sheep walks by, is that a farm (yes, this has happened to me in 3 countries)?
- What is livestock? I've petted sheep, emus, giraffes, cheetahs, lion cubs, massive snakes, etc. each in different countries. Were these lifestock?
- What are plants? Cotton shirts?
- Etc.
And when you are thinking about your luggage and what you packed and are bringing in its pretty natural to not think about stuff given to you on the plane. How is the duty free stuff handled, I never bother with it, but do you declare it and show them a duty free form or is it just not declared because it doesnt need to be and you just keep a duty free form in case someone wants to see it?
I think its pretty obvious I am talking about this particular case not a hypothetical soil or animal product question. An apple is a fruit - which is explicitly used as an example. An apple is also a type of food which is also explicitly cited and I think we can agree most adults know that an apple is food. In this case it is unequivocally clear that an apple should be declared when using the kiosk.Like I said in the very text you quoted, it is even worse with a kiosk since you have no one to answer your questions.
And no, I do not think it is very clear. The US kiosk is better than many other countries, but the wording is still very much murky.
- What is an animal product? Do leather coats/purses/wallets/shoes count?
- What is soil? A bit of dirt on your boots? Dust on your pants?
- What is a farm/ranch/pasture? If you are in a public park and a small flock of sheep walks by, is that a farm (yes, this has happened to me in 3 countries)?
- What is livestock? I've petted sheep, emus, giraffes, cheetahs, lion cubs, massive snakes, etc. each in different countries. Were these lifestock?
- What are plants? Cotton shirts?
- Etc.
I don't think you understood my post. Please read this part again:I think its pretty obvious I am talking about this particular case not a hypothetical soil or animal product question. An apple is a fruit - which is explicitly used as an example. An apple is also a type of food which is also explicitly cited and I think we can agree most adults know that an apple is food. In this case it is unequivocally clear that an apple should be declared when using the kiosk.
Now that you reread it, why are you seemingly disagreeing with me but then in your posts you agree with me? I'm confused by your intentions. The woman is wrong: full stop. But the forms are also unclear in other situations, the laws are not based on reality or science, and the airline shouldn't be giving the passengers banned items without at least a warning.4) The woman clearly violated the rules.
Yes, you have to declare duty free items. Duty free means it's free of duties in the country you bought it in, but you can be taxed on it when you bring it back into the US.And when you are thinking about your luggage and what you packed and are bringing in its pretty natural to not think about stuff given to you on the plane. How is the duty free stuff handled, I never bother with it, but do you declare it and show them a duty free form or is it just not declared because it doesnt need to be and you just keep a duty free form in case someone wants to see it?
I see four areas of blame. I think the importance is in this order:
1) Stupid laws that are supposedly about seeds / insects / diseases but are ACTUALLY about protecting farmer profits who want to sell their own apples. Make clear laws based on science.
2) Unclear custom forms. I can't think of a single international trip that I've made (I've been on dozens) where I didn't leave at least one line blank because it was unclear. Then I ask the agent for clarification before handing in the form and answer appropriately. Even worse, now they are switching to no agents to ask.
3) Airlines simply should not give things that are forbidden in the destination. And certainly if they did do so, they should make it clear that they cannot leave the plane.
4) The woman clearly violated the rules.
I don't think you understood my post. Please read this part again:
Now that you reread it, why are you seemingly disagreeing with me but then in your posts you agree with me? I'm confused by your intentions. The woman is wrong: full stop. But the forms are also unclear in other situations and the laws are not based on reality or science.
My post was intended to be general. Those are the four areas of problems that I routinely run into with the world-wide customs processes. #4 is the person themselves. Sometimes people are just plan wrong whether it be by accident, negligence, gross negligence, or fraud. In that post, I identified the specific person who was wrong, but it is also general. Many people make that type of mistake. I get confused myself quite a bit depending on the translation of the particular country's customs form.However, then we are left with the issue of #4 being part of a general commentary rather than existing as the specific case that it is. This is problematic unless there are a large number of occurrences where women are being fined for not declaring apples at the boarder - which I doubt to be the case.
