Woman finally goes to jail for boy rape

Jaskalas

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A 13 year old boy, and "the boy’s family approved".
Damn, and they were together for nine months...

So there will be... her 6 year old daughter, her new baby, and the 13 year old all in foster care?
Not sure that's a positive result, not that I can find a silver lining to any of this. I just don't think we really helped anyone.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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A 13 year old boy, and "the boy’s family approved".
Damn, and they were together for nine months...

So there will be... her 6 year old daughter, her new baby, and the 13 year old all in foster care?
Not sure that's a positive result, not that I can find a silver lining to any of this. I just don't think we really helped anyone.
But, the judge wanted to send a message damnit. Individuals don't matter.
 

momeNt

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atta boy.
 

bshole

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A 13 year old boy, and "the boy’s family approved".
Damn, and they were together for nine months...

So there will be... her 6 year old daughter, her new baby, and the 13 year old all in foster care?
Not sure that's a positive result, not that I can find a silver lining to any of this. I just don't think we really helped anyone.

It is clear from the article that the kid was chasing after her hard and she caved in. If you are a guy and you are pursuing a female for sex and she relents and has sex with you, did you get raped simply because you are 13?
 

Nashemon

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It is clear from the article that the kid was chasing after her hard and she caved in. If you are a guy and you are pursuing a female for sex and she relents and has sex with you, did you get raped simply because you are 13?
Yes.
 

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It is clear from the article that the kid was chasing after her hard and she caved in. If you are a guy and you are pursuing a female for sex and she relents and has sex with you, did you get raped simply because you are 13?

Yes. It's called statutory rape.
 

OutHouse

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i wonder when female teachers are going to get the same rap as Catholic priest when it comes to raping children.

just in the past decade if the same number of priest got the headlines as female teachers there would be protest.
 

momeNt

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i wonder when female teachers are going to get the same rap as Catholic priest when it comes to raping children.

just in the past decade if the same number of priest got the headlines as female teachers there would be protest.

Short answer to that is no. The Catholic church engaged in a systematic cover-up. Not anywhere near the same as anything involving teachers.

If the numbers are to be believed, the percentage of people who sexually abuse children in the Catholic church is not really any different than the general population. The main difference was the cover-up, so serial abusers amassed a great many more victims before being caught compared to the general population.
 

Jaskalas

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A young woman fresh out of college is employed to spend time with teens.
Time interacting on a personal level results in intimacy, as far as biology is concerned.
You need 20+ year age differences, you need experienced instructors that are actively engaged in healthy adult relationships.
The risk factors are clearly through the roof for single 20-somethings.
 
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bshole

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Yes. It's called statutory rape.

I get that but I also understand what it means to be a 13 year old male. When I was that age I thought of sex nonstop. I would have given the world for ANY female to have sex with me. It would have been the greatest event of my life up to that point. The thought that a female should be charged with a crime for fulfilling my fantasies just seems odd.

I had to wait until I was 19 before I got laid and remember the admiration, resentment and jealousy that I had for all the other guys who were getting laid in high school. I still live with the regret that I didn't get laid in high school. Sex gets DRAMATICALLY worse as you get old. You exist on earth for a short time, you should pack as much pleasure into your youth as you can so that you have something to look back on. If you don't get laid when you are young, you will always regret it..... if you do get laid you will always fondly remember it. If you are young, always be cognizant that the pleasurable part of your life is basically over by the age of 30, that is when you begin waiting to die.
 
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bshole

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A young woman fresh out of college is employed to send time with teens.
Time interacting on a personal level results in intimacy, as far as biology is concerned.
You need 20+ year age differences, you need experienced instructors that are actively engaged in healthy adult relationships.
The risk factors are clearly through the roof for single 20-somethings.

I remember all the fantasies I had about two particular 20 something teachers. Those two women are scorched in my brain.
 
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Nashemon

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I get that but I also understand what it means to be a 13 year old male. When I was that age I thought of sex nonstop. I would have given the world for ANY female to have sex with me. It would have been the greatest event of my life up to that point. The thought that a female should be charged with a crime for fulfilling my fantasies just seems odd.

I had to wait until I was 19 before I got laid and remember the admiration, resentment and jealousy that I had for all the other guys who were getting laid in high school. I still live with the regret that I didn't get laid in high school. Sex gets DRAMATICALLY worse as you get old. You exist on earth for a short time, you should pack as much pleasure into your youth as you can so that you have something to look back on. If you don't get laid when you are young, you will always regret it..... if you do get laid you will always fondly remember it. If you are young, always be cognizant that the pleasurable part of your life is basically over by the age of 30, that is when you begin waiting to die.
I think you're confusing what the crime is here. Sexual maturity level is one thing, but deciding whether or not to have sex with a child, or in this circumstance, not to wear a rubber when being inseminated by a child, are not choices a child should even be presented with. Sure, the 13 year old (as well as his entire family in this bizarre case) may have wanted it, but the 25 year old broke the law. The teacher is in a position of protecting a child. This isn't a matter of the 13 year old getting his kicks in. It's a matter of a teacher having sex with a child. Or fulfilling the sexual fantasies of a child, as you put it (which is remarkably disgusting, btw).
 

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I get that but I also understand what it means to be a 13 year old male. When I was that age I thought of sex nonstop. I would have given the world for ANY female to have sex with me. It would have been the greatest event of my life up to that point. The thought that a female should be charged with a crime for fulfilling my fantasies just seems odd.

I had to wait until I was 19 before I got laid and remember the admiration, resentment and jealousy that I had for all the other guys who were getting laid in high school. I still live with the regret that I didn't get laid in high school. Sex gets DRAMATICALLY worse as you get old. You exist on earth for a short time, you should pack as much pleasure into your youth as you can so that you have something to look back on. If you don't get laid when you are young, you will always regret it..... if you do get laid you will always fondly remember it. If you are young, always be cognizant that the pleasurable part of your life is basically over by the age of 30, that is when you begin waiting to die.

I was providing a definition. I don't inherently disagree with you.

No one in my mind is "competent" until they are 25, and really that's not "competent" so much as "as competent as you're likely to get". We are simply damned by the biological fact that our physical development and capacity for and drive for sexual relationships precedes maturity of our decision making. And of course we can't assume a standard developmental timeline either physically or mentally.

As such, these statutes are as much driven by societal dogma as any biological standards.

But anarchy is not correct simply because laws are destined to be flawed.

In this instance, the 25-year-old has capacity to understand and execute autonomous sexual decisions per the law, and the 13-year-old does not. Thus, by statute, non-forcible sex between them is rape.
 

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Yes. It's called statutory rape.
Zero tolerance is also known as zero thought.

Just because a law exists doesn't mean it's a good one.

13 year old horny boys are not little innocent childes.

Hiding yourself behind poor-quality legal code is not an adequate defense.

13 year olds can and do consent. The law just refuses to acknowledge that.

Our culture likes to punish people gratuitously for sex. That's why teenagers are being labeled sex offenders for sexting each other.
Apparently, there is gender equality in America. Finally.
If there's one thing America is better at than any other nation in the world it's putting people into prison.
 

sandorski

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Zero tolerance is also known as zero thought.

Just because a law exists doesn't mean it's a good one.

13 year old horny boys are not little innocent childes.

Hiding yourself behind poor-quality legal code is not an adequate defense.

13 year olds can and do consent. The law just refuses to acknowledge that.

Our culture likes to punish people gratuitously for sex. That's why teenagers are being labeled sex offenders for sexting each other.

If there's one thing America is better at than any other nation in the world it's putting people into prison.

Though I'd agree that most 13 year olds want sex, I think they are too easy to manipulated/seduced by Adults, because they are not rational enough about it at that age. That's why the Law enacts Ages of Consent. Those Laws vary a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, some seem unreasonable, but IMO 13 should definitely be out as a consideration.
 

superstition

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Though I'd agree that most 13 year olds want sex, I think they are too easy to manipulated/seduced by Adults, because they are not rational enough about it at that age. That's why the Law enacts Ages of Consent. Those Laws vary a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, some seem unreasonable, but IMO 13 should definitely be out as a consideration.
Stupid people are easily manipulated, including some of the elderly. IQ differences can be vast. Should we make it illegal for people to have sex with the elderly or stupid people?

Putting people into prison and juvenile jail unnecessarily can't be defended by refusing to see people as individuals to the necessary extent. I was certainly rational at 13. A lot of adults aren't rational at 40.

America is a culture of imprisonment and punishment for sex.
 
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