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woolfe9998

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What would you ask 10% of the population of all cities to figure out how many actual hate crimes there have been in a given year? I think your point about the police not reporting them all is a problem (as you say) but if the fbi has a baseline of crimes that they track year over year why isnt that a good source?

No one is talking about asking the population anything. We are talking about getting the information from police departments. We are using polls as an analogy here. Valid polls use random sampling, like calling telephone numbers at random. It's why the online polls are so unscientific. Remember when Ron Paul was winning every online poll and badly lost in the 2012 primaries? These bad online polls where the participants self-select instead of being chosen randomly are analogous to what is happening with the FBI crime data.

The FBI isn't asking a 10% random sampling of the PD's in the country for their crime data. They are asking for crime data from all of them, but allowing compliance to be voluntary. In the case of hate crimes, 90% are choosing not to report any data. Because this choice may be influenced or even entirely determined by factors related to the data itself, we cannot assume that the 10% who do report are representative of the 90% who do not. For example, it may be the case that most of those not reporting are failing to do so because their hate crime rates are very high and they don't want that to be known, or perhaps it's because many of those PD's not reporting are showing virtually no hate crimes because they simply do not enforce hate crimes laws. In either case, the reasons for not reporting could well mean that the 90% of statistics which are unreported are very different from the 10% which are.

The voluntary reporting introduces a self-selection bias. If I'm not making any sense to anyone here, this is a more thorough explanation of self-selection bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
 

JSt0rm

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No one is talking about asking the population anything. We are talking about getting the information from police departments. We are using polls as an analogy here. Valid polls use random sampling, like calling telephone numbers at random. It's why the online polls are so unscientific. Remember when Ron Paul was winning every online poll and badly lost in the 2012 primaries? These bad online polls where the participants self-select instead of being chosen randomly are analogous to what is happening with the FBI crime data.

The FBI isn't asking a 10% random sampling of the PD's in the country for their crime data. They are asking for crime data from all of them, but allowing compliance to be voluntary. In the case of hate crimes, 90% are choosing not to report any data. Because this choice may be influenced or even entirely determined by factors related to the data itself, we cannot assume that the 10% who do report are representative of the 90% who do not. For example, it may be the case that most of those not reporting are failing to do so because their hate crime rates are very high and they don't want that to be known, or perhaps it's because many of those PD's not reporting are showing virtually no hate crimes because they simply do not enforce hate crimes laws. In either case, the reasons for not reporting could well mean that the 90% of statistics which are unreported are very different from the 10% which are.

The voluntary reporting introduces a self-selection bias. If I'm not making any sense to anyone here, this is a more thorough explanation of self-selection bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias

got it. So the fbi has no way of making the data "real"
 

JSt0rm

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would the data be real if the same departments report every year? If you had numbers on los Angeles from 1995 till today would that be of value (Im not saying they have that just asking)
 

Ackmed

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Funny to see all the libs posting this, thinking it's a white person doing it. Then, realizing it's not and lookin foolish. Shaun King, white guy pretending to be black, being one. Making a tweet, then deleting it after facts come out. Washington Post not saying the race of the woman till the 4th paragraph, not in the title. As if it would have been the same case if it was a white person.

But according to some people on these forums, black people are incapable of being racists. Facts don't matter to them. So instead, they blame Trump still. Pretty pathetic, but not surprising.

Fact is, every group of people can be, and has been racists to others. Trying to pass blame onto anyone else but those doing it, is dumb.
 
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Funny to see all the libs posting this, thinking it's a white person doing it. Then, realizing it's not and lookin foolish. Shaun King, white guy pretending to be black, being one. Making a tweet, then deleting it after facts come out. Washington Post not saying the race of the woman till the 4th paragraph, not in the title. As if it would have been the same case if it was a white person.

But according to some people on these forums, black people are incapable of being racists. Facts don't matter to them. So instead, they blame Trump still. Pretty pathetic, but not surprising.

Fact is, every group of people can be, and has been racists to others. Trying to pass blame onto anyone else but those doing it, is dumb.

Again, note post #10 and, what do we have here? Post #179.

Jackass.
 

amenx

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Funny to see all the libs posting this, thinking it's a white person doing it. Then, realizing it's not and lookin foolish. Shaun King, white guy pretending to be black, being one. Making a tweet, then deleting it after facts come out. Washington Post not saying the race of the woman till the 4th paragraph, not in the title. As if it would have been the same case if it was a white person.

But according to some people on these forums, black people are incapable of being racists. Facts don't matter to them. So instead, they blame Trump still. Pretty pathetic, but not surprising.

Fact is, every group of people can be, and has been racists to others. Trying to pass blame onto anyone else but those doing it, is dumb.
We know racists can exist in all groups. The stupid part is when someone says or implies they exist in equal measure in all groups. Statistically, the number of racist incidents overwhelmingly involved whites vs others. So it is easy to assume so whenever they occur. In the last 120 years, 1000s of blacks have been lynched. And maybe the odd 1 or 2 whites. Should history say lynchings occurred in all groups regardless of context? Have a feeling you would say yes.
 

purbeast0

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It's unreal how pretty much every thread in P&N turns into a clusterfuck of idiots talking about nothing related to the topic at hand after about 3-4 pages. You all turn every fucking thread into the same dumb arguments.
 

realibrad

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It's unreal how pretty much every thread in P&N turns into a clusterfuck of idiots talking about nothing related to the topic at hand after about 3-4 pages. You all turn every fucking thread into the same dumb arguments.

Look at the first post, and tell me what has not been on topic? The first post was massively broad and this thread reflects that.
 

JSt0rm

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Funny to see all the libs posting this, thinking it's a white person doing it. Then, realizing it's not and lookin foolish. Shaun King, white guy pretending to be black, being one. Making a tweet, then deleting it after facts come out. Washington Post not saying the race of the woman till the 4th paragraph, not in the title. As if it would have been the same case if it was a white person.

But according to some people on these forums, black people are incapable of being racists. Facts don't matter to them. So instead, they blame Trump still. Pretty pathetic, but not surprising.

Fact is, every group of people can be, and has been racists to others. Trying to pass blame onto anyone else but those doing it, is dumb.

look how dumb you are.
 

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We know racists can exist in all groups. The stupid part is when someone says or implies they exist in equal measure in all groups. Statistically, the number of racist incidents overwhelmingly involved whites vs others. So it is easy to assume so whenever they occur. In the last 120 years, 1000s of blacks have been lynched. And maybe the odd 1 or 2 whites. Should history say lynchings occurred in all groups regardless of context? Have a feeling you would say yes.

While you and many others are caught up in the statistics of my side is not as bad as your side, the hidden foundational racism that is perpetuated by the rich including many of the white liberal rich in high places is attacked superficially at best while we are brainwashed to believe the confederate flag waiving MAGA hat wearing Trumpster is behind all our racism ills and if they are reduced or eliminated all would be well.

It's all about divide and conquer, so while the lower classes are at each others throats the elite are counting their money in their safe enclaves.

"President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/
 
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While you and many others are caught up in the statistics of my side is not as bad as your side, the hidden foundational racism that is perpetuated by the rich including many of the white liberal rich in high places is attacked superficially at best while we are brainwashed to believe the confederate flag waiving MAGA hat wearing Trumpster is behind all our racism ills and if they are reduced or eliminated all would be well.

It's all about divide and conquer, so while the lower classes are at each others throats the elite are counting their money in their safe enclaves.

"President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/

Um...what? I really don't know how you can with a straight face claim that people on here have not been explicitly calling out the racism by the many wealthy people. In fact, conservatives on here have been bitching constantly that people keep calling out Turmp's racism, or calling out the almost constant stream of crazy bigoted crap coming from wealthy conservatives (and yes, liberals too when that happens, its just that there it tends to be a huge disparity in how often and how vile of things they say). There's been plenty of threads about the rich racist fuckwits that inhabit the world. Hell, now, just uttering a racist term by a rich person tends to almost immediately lead to them being ousted from their company (as seen with the Papa John's dumbass; see also where Donald Sterling and Jerry Richardson were forced to sell their teams over their racist and sexist actions).

In fact, you're not even close to the first person to make the case about how the rich often deliberately use this as a means to take the heat off their own actions. Its has overwhelmingly become a key thing that conservatives use (and yes, Democrats definitely partook as well, but now we have conservatives crying that that's what they're doing when they point out real racism and then trying to do something about it). Meanwhile the idiots conservatives on here bitch and moan when its brought up and start screaming about witch hunts from too PC culture and safe spaces because they want their old safe spaces where they used to be able to spout their racist shit without consequence.

I have personally, on multiple occasions tried to point out to people that the wealthy, after having been condemned roundly for their blatantly racist discriminatory practices, switched to just applying them to poor people in general so that they could both claim they aren't racist (even though they often show they are), but also because that opens up an entirely new stream of money for them.
 
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