Woman allegedly hits FSU player, player allegedly hits back. Why only he gets jail?

[Anubis]

I'm all for equality
if you hit people expect to get hit back

 

[Murloc]

What I see in the video is him shoving her on the counter in order to get to the bar, violating her personal space, she turns around and tells something to him, she makes a fist (so she's probably drunk) but limits herself to pushing him back with the forearm, he keeps being arrogant, then he grabs her.

If you grab someone, that's aggression imho.

What followed is she threw a weak and not aimed punch, to which he responded with a serious punch instead of defusing the situation by taking a step back.

Remember that it takes just one punch to the head to kill a person.

He violated social norms, he escalated the situation, he initiated the violent confrontation.

I guess I'm old. Men shouldn't hit women....ever.

I think it's appropriate if she's actually hurting you and you can't walk away or stop her by grabbing her or something (could happen if she's a big girl). Clearly not the case in the video but still. Legally this is irrelevant anyway.

 

[purbeast0]

lol @ title of thread.

"allegedly hits" when there is video of it.

regardless of man or woman, if you don't want to get hit, don't hit someone first.

 

[LevelSea]

 

[SP33Demon]

Gee what a badass man he is.....

Except women want equal rights so he gave her a left.

 

[highland145]

Except women want equal rights so he gave her a left.

The important question is will she still vote for Hillary?

 

[Jeffg010]

She should get charged with assault she threw the first punch. Anyone that disagrees don't know the law.

 

[waggy]

the video doesn't lie.

he shoved in and pushed one lady out. the other lady was trying ot sit when he shoved her and grabbed her arm. she went to defend herself and he hit her.

yeah he deserves to go to jail.

he also may have blew any chance he had at the NFL and a college ride.

idiot.

 

[Jeffg010]

the video doesn't lie.

he shoved in and pushed one lady out. the other lady was trying ot sit when he shoved her and grabbed her arm. she went to defend herself and he hit her.

yeah he deserves to go to jail.

he also may have blew any chance he had at the NFL and a college ride.

idiot.

I disagree the first threatening thing that happens is when she makes that fist. If you watch the vid everyone is bumping into everyone trying to get the the bar.

 

[Spineshank]

Drunk idiots will be drunk idiots. She shouldn't have punched him, he certainly shouldn't have punched her. Both should be arrested imo.

 

[purbeast0]

while i don't agree at all with him clocking her, anybody who is sitting at the bar in a crowded bar needs to just expect to be bumped by people who are trying to get drinks. that is just how bars work because bars let in way too many people. if you don't want to get bumped incidentally then get the f out of the way.

 

[steve wilson]

They are both in the wrong, she shouldn't of punched him and he shouldn't of hit her. The punch she hit him with didn't look that powerful to me and there is no way she could really hurt him with out a weapon. That doesn't excuse her for hitting him though. She should be done for assault too.

 

[KeithTalent]

Too bad Hope Solo wasn't there to defend his ass.

KT

 

[PokerGuy]

Too bad there's no audio to help lend some perspective, but from what I see he grabs / pushes her first, so that's simple assault. She then makes a weak attempt at "defense", after which he clocks her. He's going to be seeing some jail time, she's probably in the clear.

 

[mikeford]

So in your world I need to be able to predict the future and know I'm going to get hit again in order to be counted as "self defense"? If you punch me in the face you're going to get something immediately to ensure you don't do it again.

Force is only legal to prevent a credible threat, not something in the past.

If I punch you in the head and walk away, where is the credible threat?

You might get away with a vigilante act of retaliation, but it wouldn't be legal and you could be prosecuted as well.

 

[waggy]

Too bad Hope Solo wasn't there to defend his ass.

KT

yeah she would have stripped and shown her disgusting vagina and he would have run away screaming.

 

[Smoblikat]

I didn't watch the video or see pictures, but if there was a disproportionate difference in size, that might make a big difference. I.e., if a little 3 year old toddler has a temper tantrum and hits you, you don't have carte blanche to knock the kid out with a right hook.

Being 3 makes you a minor, you arent allowed to hit minors once you are over 18. Both of these people were in a bar drinking, so they were guaranteed at least 21, thus making them both adults.

 

[Brainonska511]

Being 3 makes you a minor, you arent allowed to hit minors once you are over 18. Both of these people were in a bar drinking, so they were guaranteed at least 21, thus making them both adults.

Nope. This guy is not 21. He's a freshman. Even without the fighting, one would think that the current scrutiny of bad behavior committed by college sports athletes, the university and teams would heavily emphasize that underage people should not be appearing in a bar and they should be cracking down on people that do break those rules.

I get it - people under 21 drink. But if you're a high profile student (eg: next star athlete), perhaps it's better to keep a low profile when it comes to underage drinking.

 

[Phokus]

What I see in the video is him shoving her on the counter in order to get to the bar, violating her personal space, she turns around and tells something to him, she makes a fist (so she's probably drunk) but limits herself to pushing him back with the forearm, he keeps being arrogant, then he grabs her.

If you grab someone, that's aggression imho.

What followed is she threw a weak and not aimed punch, to which he responded with a serious punch instead of defusing the situation by taking a step back.

Remember that it takes just one punch to the head to kill a person.

He violated social norms, he escalated the situation, he initiated the violent confrontation.


I think it's appropriate if she's actually hurting you and you can't walk away or stop her by grabbing her or something (could happen if she's a big girl). Clearly not the case in the video but still. Legally this is irrelevant anyway.

He grabbed her cocked fist, she was the aggressor.

 

[KeithTalent]

the video doesn't lie.

he shoved in and pushed one lady out. the other lady was trying ot sit when he shoved her and grabbed her arm. she went to defend herself and he hit her.

yeah he deserves to go to jail.

he also may have blew any chance he had at the NFL and a college ride.

idiot.

Yep. Fuck that guy.

KT

 

[Jaskalas]

Sorry no excuse for hitting a woman with a closed fist...

Remember we're removing all such distinctions. Women are equal to men, deal with it.

 

[steve wilson]

Force is only legal to prevent a credible threat, not something in the past.

If I punch you in the head and walk away, where is the credible threat?

You might get away with a vigilante act of retaliation, but it wouldn't be legal and you could be prosecuted as well.

Wow your logic is retarded.

 

[Phokus]

Remember we're removing all such distinctions. Women are equal to men, deal with it.

Hey we agree. Funny thing is, i wonder if he'd feel the same way if a woman wouldn't stop hitting him or if she came at him with a knife, that's an awfully broad statement to make.

 

[Jaskalas]

He grabbed her cocked fist, she was the aggressor.

She threatened him.
He grabbed her fist.
She punched at his face.
He actually punched her face.

At what point do we decide two aggressive initiators of violence are wrong? Is it when he grabs her? Maybe she indicated violence if he let go, as happened. Yet, if he wanted to deescalate it would have been easy.

Who's responsibility is it to deescalate?

 

[Phokus]

I wonder if the white knight idiots in this thread realize they are basically treating women like children by taking away her agency.