wolfdale to replace the Q6600?

[ncage]

Anyone know what wolfdale will replace the Quad 6600? When will it be released and its operating frequence? I am wanting a quad but want to wait until the wolfdale version if possible. At the current prices though it seems like the e8400 is a better value than the q6600.

thanks,
Ncage

 

[GuitarDaddy]

wolfdale=dual core
yorkfield=quad core

the 45nm quad yorkfields are due out late Feb early Mar per the last reports, the Q9300 will replace the Q6600 at the $266 price point

Q9550 8.5x333=2.83ghz $530
Q9450 8x333=2.66ghz $316
Q9300 7.5x33=2.5ghz $266

 

[Tempered81]

isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

 

[firewolfsm]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

Yeah

also, the Q9300 will actually have less cache than the Q6600 but its performance/clock is still slightly better, and it can OC to 4GHz on air.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: firewolfsm

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

Yeah

also, the Q9300 will actually have less cache than the Q6600 but its performance/clock is still slightly better, and it can OC to 4GHz on air.

Provided you have a mobo and ram that can run FSB 534mhz. 534x7.5=4005mhz


I personally believe it will be rare, and a much more difficult feat to hit 4ghz on the (non EE) yorkie quads than it is with the dual wolfdales. It has been reported that the quads depend more on the FSB for communication between the four cores, and therefore hit the wall on FSB quicker than the dual core parts.

And because of the lower multis it will take a very high FSB to hit 4ghz even on the upper end chips

Q9550 4ghz=471fsb
Q9450 4ghz=500fsb
Q9300 4ghz=534fsb

 

[Rubycon]

Yorkies are available now in EE and Xeon versions.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: firewolfsm

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

Yeah

also, the Q9300 will actually have less cache than the Q6600 but its performance/clock is still slightly better, and it can OC to 4GHz on air.

yeah, you're gonna need some badass memory & a badass mobo, to barely reach 4ghz with a q9300, If it will reach a 533mhz FSB at all (it being a quadcore). Your motherboard better have baddass power management to pump juice to 4 cores on a 533mhz FSB x 4 with Overclocked ram too!

spending the big bucks on a 7.5x multiplier and hoping to OC is going to be tough. the e8600 in q2 with the 10x multi is going to be the shiz.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: firewolfsm

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

Yeah

also, the Q9300 will actually have less cache than the Q6600 but its performance/clock is still slightly better, and it can OC to 4GHz on air.

*sigh*

And where are you going to get the GODLY gear required for the 534FSB?

534fsb x 7.5 = 4ghz.

And yes it requires GODLY Gear.



If you dont know Accurate OC approximations PLEASE DONT GIVE THEM OUT. You'll only confuse the hell out of newbies.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: firewolfsm

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

Yeah

also, the Q9300 will actually have less cache than the Q6600 but its performance/clock is still slightly better, and it can OC to 4GHz on air.

*sigh*

And where are you going to get the GODLY gear required for the 571FSB?

571fsb x 7 = 4ghz.

And yes it requires GODLY Gear.



If you dont know Accurate OC approximations PLEASE DONT GIVE THEM OUT. You'll only confuse the hell out of newbies.

isn't it a 7.5x multi aigo? even stil he needs a 533mhz FSB or greater on a 45nm Quadcore. Thats still very difficult

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

isn't it a 7.5x multi aigo? even stil he needs a 533mhz FSB or greater on a 45nm Quadcore. Thats still very difficult

Yeah i made a mistake. I thought it was the 7x multi.


Made the edit quickly tho.



And dude.. 470fsb+ on a quadcore is getting lucky.



You know whats funny.. its the people who dont know how to properly overclock that make the over shoot expectations.

Dude you guys, if your going to quote ANY OC over 4.0ghz. PICTURES NEEDED OF IT DOING LONG TERM PRIME!

Otherwise dont believe JACK SQUAT.

There either quick suicide run benches, or noobs who have no idea on overclocking shooting massive stupid voltages at the cpu. Something NO EXPERIENCED OCer will ever recomend.



Also do you really need the extra 2 cores? A wolfdale @ 4.0ghz (upper limit) will be faster then a Kents @ 3.6ghz in most applications.

Once you start multi threaded apps tho. A Kent @ 3.0ghz will spank a wolfdale @ 4ghz.

ALWAYS PICK A PROCESSOR ON APPLICATION.

Not by numbers in GHZ. Unless your lacking in the Epenis department, and you want it to get bigger.

 

[lilbabimac]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

That price drop will take place in April.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: lilbabimac

Originally posted by: jaredpace
isnt the q6600 going to go down to $224 pp1000 after the q9xxx yorkfields release?

That price drop will take place in April.

You can pick up a X3210 for 227 @ ewiz.com

X3210 is identical to the Q6600 but on the 8x multi.

The Xeon replacement for the Q6600 is the X3220 as per in my sig.


If you dont mind the 8x multi, that kentsfield's price is very hard to beat. Well black friday i picked up my last G0 for 200. But that was black friday.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
...Once you start multi threaded apps tho. A Kent @ 3.0ghz will spank a wolfdale @ 4ghz.

Oh I can tell you all about the spanking.

4.0GHz Yorkie = eating the cake. :laugh:

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: aigomorla
...Once you start multi threaded apps tho. A Kent @ 3.0ghz will spank a wolfdale @ 4ghz.

Oh I can tell you all about the spanking.

4.0GHz Yorkie = eating the cake. :laugh:

LOL... yes a 4.0ghz yorkie will spank a kentsfield @ 3.6ghz.

But thats a yorkie... not a wolfdale.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

I have been debating over a q6600 to replace my e4400 for like 5 months. A couple of days ago I picked up the e8400, and omg, this chip owns! I'm running it at 4GHz currently, 1.45v, 9 hours of Orthos solid, probably going to hold onto this one until the first price drop on the Q9xxx procs later in the year, then I might upgrade, depending on need. For now tho, the e8400 is a massive upgrade over my e4400 in pretty much every respect.

 

[Riverhound777]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
I have been debating over a q6600 to replace my e4400 for like 5 months. A couple of days ago I picked up the e8400, and omg, this chip owns! I'm running it at 4GHz currently, 1.45v, 9 hours of Orthos solid, probably going to hold onto this one until the first price drop on the Q9xxx procs later in the year, then I might upgrade, depending on need. For now tho, the e8400 is a massive upgrade over my e4400 in pretty much every respect.

1.45v for 4.0 seems pretty high. I'm hoping to get 4.0 around 1.3v

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: Riverhound777

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
I have been debating over a q6600 to replace my e4400 for like 5 months. A couple of days ago I picked up the e8400, and omg, this chip owns! I'm running it at 4GHz currently, 1.45v, 9 hours of Orthos solid, probably going to hold onto this one until the first price drop on the Q9xxx procs later in the year, then I might upgrade, depending on need. For now tho, the e8400 is a massive upgrade over my e4400 in pretty much every respect.

1.45v for 4.0 seems pretty high. I'm hoping to get 4.0 around 1.3v

If he has good cooling then, 1.45V might not actually be so bad.
Its true though that for voltage, less is better.

On the other hand however, doing it with 1.3V, i think, is asking a lot.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: aigomorla
...Once you start multi threaded apps tho. A Kent @ 3.0ghz will spank a wolfdale @ 4ghz.

Oh I can tell you all about the spanking.

4.0GHz Yorkie = eating the cake. :laugh:

LOL... yes a 4.0ghz yorkie will spank a kentsfield @ 3.6ghz.

But thats a yorkie... not a wolfdale.

I'm not digging the 6MB cache on those el-cheapo yorkies either.

If you are out for performance then a 6MB yorkie with a 7.5X multiplier is going to suck ass compared to an 8MB Kentsfield with a 9X multiplier when both are operating at their respective maximum overclocks (be it CPU or NBCC limited in each case).

Naturally if you are out for cool-and-quiet performance/watt type metrics then a yorkie is going to win hands down with its reduced power consumption for any given clockspeed.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: aigomorla
...Once you start multi threaded apps tho. A Kent @ 3.0ghz will spank a wolfdale @ 4ghz.

Oh I can tell you all about the spanking.

4.0GHz Yorkie = eating the cake. :laugh:

like, like the one in my sig

Originally posted by: Riverhound777

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
I have been debating over a q6600 to replace my e4400 for like 5 months. A couple of days ago I picked up the e8400, and omg, this chip owns! I'm running it at 4GHz currently, 1.45v, 9 hours of Orthos solid, probably going to hold onto this one until the first price drop on the Q9xxx procs later in the year, then I might upgrade, depending on need. For now tho, the e8400 is a massive upgrade over my e4400 in pretty much every respect.

1.45v for 4.0 seems pretty high. I'm hoping to get 4.0 around 1.3v

yea, eat more buddy.

anand's ES chip, which is cherry picked beyond belief hits 4 ghz with 1.28v after vdroop, which means they most likely had ~1.35v set in bios. And believe me that is one gem of cpu. wolfdales and yorkfields need around 1.35v after vdroop to be stable at 4 ghz, and depending on how bad your vdroop is you will be setting anywhere from 1.4 to 1.45v in the bios to get that voltage under load. my statements come from experience, unlike all these other "prophets" bouncing around the cpu forum section.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: Riverhound777

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
I have been debating over a q6600 to replace my e4400 for like 5 months. A couple of days ago I picked up the e8400, and omg, this chip owns! I'm running it at 4GHz currently, 1.45v, 9 hours of Orthos solid, probably going to hold onto this one until the first price drop on the Q9xxx procs later in the year, then I might upgrade, depending on need. For now tho, the e8400 is a massive upgrade over my e4400 in pretty much every respect.

1.45v for 4.0 seems pretty high. I'm hoping to get 4.0 around 1.3v

I actually went straight to 1.45v, only shows up as around 1.38v in cpu-z tho.

I'll probably dial it back a quarter of a point at a time once I find my FSB stable max and see where I can stop. Even at 1.45v, the chip is idling at 21c and peaking at 52c after 9 hours of Orthos, so not too bad.

 

[Cheex]

Honestly, I would love to replace my E6300 with a Q9450.

The 8x multiplier will see me doing:

Easy:
400x8 = 3.2GHz
425x8 = 3.4GHz
450x8 = 3.6GHz

Challenging:
475x8 = 3.8GHz

Impressive if possible
500x8 = 4.0GHz


I don't know what you all think though.
Can the P35-DS4 do 500FSB?
That's the board I think I wanna get.

 

[Tempered81]

i think you could do 500x8 cheex

 

[taltamir]

Doesn't the wolfdale obsolete the Q6600 already?
Even with the price gouging the e8400 costs a little less. 3ghz dual core (with the penryn giving another 5-10% speed per core per clock). vs 2.4 quad core. The only thing the quad core would be faster at is video editing. EXCEPT. the wolfdale now has SSE4. DivX, Xvid, and h264 ALREADY support it, giving 80% speed boost with SS4 optimizations.

So I cannot think of a single case where the q6600 would actually beat an e8400.

 

[firewolfsm]

Wow...how many replies did I get?

I was just commenting that the processors can do it.

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think you could do 500x8 cheex

I think so too but...hey...


Who is the real motherboard expert on here???

I want to be assured that the P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0 CAN hit 500FSB.