Woah - massive oil discovery?

Bowmaster

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Maybe my fears of Peak Oil are unfounded?!?
This MAY BE a bad thing, though. If we could get off of our oil addiction, the environment would be a lot cleaner. If this IS true, we can tell the Arabs to go screw themselves...

World Daily News

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Sustainable oil?

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Posted: May 25, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Chris Bennett
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular faults which spontaneously spew natural gas. A significant reservoir of crude oil was discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a day of high-quality crude oil.

By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than 4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly, in 1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the reserves which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s, were recalculated at 400 million barrels. Interestingly, the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil pumped in the '70s.

Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault" at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a river of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source.

Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway for at least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of Middle East reserve oil.

Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs and fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another source for crude oil?

An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs suggests that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product, not a stepchild of unfathomable time and organic degradation. The theory suggests there may be huge, yet-to-be-discovered reserves of oil at depths that dwarf current world estimates.

The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic process which occurs between the mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and 20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism is as follows:



Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity throughout our solar system ? huge concentrations exist at great depth in the Earth.

At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the surface, rapidly rising streams of compressed methane-based gasses hit pockets of high temperature causing the condensation of heavier hydrocarbons. The product of this condensation is commonly known as crude oil.

Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and reservoirs we extract as "natural gas."

In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions around the globe, the crude oil pools into reservoirs.

In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas, the oil and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to oxidize, producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from active volcanoes.

Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth movement, oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-sand deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the continual seeps found beneath the Gulf of Mexico and Uzbekistan.

Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep pools of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.

There are a number of observations across the oil-producing regions of the globe that support this theory, and the list of proponents begins with Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements) and includes Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources Corporations, Houston, Texas.

In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents compelling evidence for inorganic oil formation. He notes that geologic structures where oil is found all correspond to "deep earth" formations, not the haphazard depositions we find with sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface life.

He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field have the same chemistry ? oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary with increasing depth. Also interesting is the fact that oil is found in huge quantities among geographic formations where assays of prehistoric life are not sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs of oil. Where then did it come from?

Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert gas known to be a fundamental product of the radiological decay or uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at great depths below the surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements associated with life. It is found throughout the solar system as a thoroughly inorganic product.

Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island reservoir ? not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.

Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs."

Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this theory to justify deep oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, among other locations, with some success. Dr. Kenney is on record predicting that parts of Siberia contain a deep reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding that already discovered in the Middle East.

Could this be true?

In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US)," Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a partial title of "The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum." Dr. Kenney and three Russian coauthors conclude:


The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve hydrocarbons at pressures less than 30 Kbar, even in the most favorable environment. The H-C system evolves hydrocarbons under pressures found in the mantle of the Earth and at temperatures consistent with that environment.


He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century."

Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some point in the relatively near future we will see the last working pump on the last functioning oil well screech and rattle, and that will be that. The end of the Age of Oil. And unless we find another source of cheap energy, the world will rapidly become a much darker and dangerous place.

If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the world as we know it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about it ... while not inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of inorganic crude oil and commercially feasible extraction would provide the world with generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold has been quoted saying that current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a factor of over 100.

A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, was scheduled to discuss and publicly debate this issue. Papers were solicited from interested academics and professionals. The conference was scheduled to begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the last minute. A new date has yet to be set.
 

Linflas

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Do a search along the lines of oil deep earth process. I remember first reading about this theory back in the mid 1980's and thought it was an interesting idea then.
 

BugsBunny1078

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Well one thing is for sure the theory that oil comes from this mass of rotting prehistoric plants has never made sense to me.
But anyways when you say WE can get our oil from home it means nothing to me.
We dont get oil oil companies do and even though it is our OIL, they sell it to us at exhorbitant prices.
Someone is making the money here and it is not me. So if we allow oil companies to harvest OUR supply of oil then charge the same price they charge for oil they bought from Saudia Arabia how am I better off?
I'm not.
 

StormRider

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You're better off because you or your children won't have to go off to fight a war halfway across the world.

Edit: I just want to add that I don't think the main reason for the war in Iraq is because of oil. I think the main reason Bush went there is because it's his long-term strategy against terrorism -- hopefully by establishing democracy in the Middle East it will reduce terrorism in the future -- however it looks like it will increase terrorism in the short term. Whether his strategy works is debatable -- right now I think it's not gonna work but I hope I'm wrong.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well one thing is for sure the theory that oil comes from this mass of rotting prehistoric plants has never made sense to me.
But anyways when you say WE can get our oil from home it means nothing to me.
We dont get oil oil companies do and even though it is our OIL, they sell it to us at exhorbitant prices.
Someone is making the money here and it is not me. So if we allow oil companies to harvest OUR supply of oil then charge the same price they charge for oil they bought from Saudia Arabia how am I better off?
I'm not.

A selfish little prick, aren't ya? Hate thy neighbour?

Did you stop to think that this could mean that US involvment in the ME would be minor if you could get it from home? Think of the effects of that for a minute.
 

Bowmaster

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We dont get oil oil companies do and even though it is our OIL, they sell it to us at exhorbitant prices.

My bad. <in my best Ed McMahon voice> You are correct sir!
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: StormRider
You're better off because you or your children won't have to go off to fight a war halfway across the world.

Edit: I just want to add that I don't think the main reason for the war in Iraq is because of oil. I think the main reason Bush went there is because it's his long-term strategy against terrorism -- hopefully by establishing democracy in the Middle East it will reduce terrorism in the future -- however it looks like it will increase terrorism in the short term. Whether his strategy works is debatable -- right now I think it's not gonna work but I hope I'm wrong.

If the US wasn't so supportive of the regime in SA there would not have been any attacks on 9/11.

Bin Ladin doesn't hate the US for it's freedom, democracy or christianity, if you seriously believe that then you are just believing the propaganda that other fundamentalists are spewing, he hates the US for their meddling in the ME, and most of all for the support of the opressive leadership of SA.
 

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Problem is the speed of any such process compared to the reserves. If the figure of 400 million barrels is right, that equates to less than three weeks OPEC production. Global consumption is around 80 million barrels per day. Replenishment through the sort of processes described therein will almost certainly not match the extraction rate.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: StormRider
You're better off because you or your children won't have to go off to fight a war halfway across the world.

Edit: I just want to add that I don't think the main reason for the war in Iraq is because of oil. I think the main reason Bush went there is because it's his long-term strategy against terrorism -- hopefully by establishing democracy in the Middle East it will reduce terrorism in the future -- however it looks like it will increase terrorism in the short term. Whether his strategy works is debatable -- right now I think it's not gonna work but I hope I'm wrong.

If the US wasn't so supportive of the regime in SA there would not have been any attacks on 9/11.

Bin Ladin doesn't hate the US for it's freedom, democracy or christianity, if you seriously believe that then you are just believing the propaganda that other fundamentalists are spewing, he hates the US for their meddling in the ME, and most of all for the support of the opressive leadership of SA.

I disagree. The average moderate Muslim hates us for meddling in the ME and our past support for repressive regimes. However, I think Bin Ladin does hate us because we are non-Muslim.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: StormRider
You're better off because you or your children won't have to go off to fight a war halfway across the world.

Edit: I just want to add that I don't think the main reason for the war in Iraq is because of oil. I think the main reason Bush went there is because it's his long-term strategy against terrorism -- hopefully by establishing democracy in the Middle East it will reduce terrorism in the future -- however it looks like it will increase terrorism in the short term. Whether his strategy works is debatable -- right now I think it's not gonna work but I hope I'm wrong.

If the US wasn't so supportive of the regime in SA there would not have been any attacks on 9/11.

Bin Ladin doesn't hate the US for it's freedom, democracy or christianity, if you seriously believe that then you are just believing the propaganda that other fundamentalists are spewing, he hates the US for their meddling in the ME, and most of all for the support of the opressive leadership of SA.

I disagree. The average moderate Muslim hates us for meddling in the ME and our past support for repressive regimes. However, I think Bin Ladin does hate us because we are non-Muslim.

His stated reason for the attacks was because of US's support of the opressive regime in SA, he may be lying but that is the best source we got today. And the support isn't in the past, it goes on today.
 

Gravity

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Neat. I'd like to see us focusing a little more R&amp;D on the alternative fuels. However, living in LA and all, it would be nice to get an additonal 1,000 jobs out of that oil patch they named in the gulf.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Although I hate to question a member of the NAS, but considering several major oil companies have dramatically reduced their "estimates" of proven reserves . . . I'm inclined to believe this sounds like Sasquatch.
 

zephyrprime

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I don't see how the inorganic production of oil can possibly be. I requires pockets of methane in the earth but wouldn't such pockets leak out into the air?

I believe that oil is made from methane hydrate deposits. Methane hydrates have been shown to be present in tremendous quantities all along the continental shelf. Much more hydrate exists than oil. Also, the continental shelf is right at the subduction zone of techtonic plates. In my theory, icy methane hydrates are dragged into the subduction zone where the high heat and pressure make oil. Some of the hydrates aren't dragged in far enough to experience high heat and pressure so nothing happens to them. Eventually, some of those hydrates are lifted closer to the surface where they melt. Most simply leak out but some is trapped underground and this is the source of natural gas. (methane hydrates are simply natural gas stuck in ice.)

The formation of oil in my theory is actually very similiar to what's believed in the inorganic theory. The only difference is that I provide a different origination for the methane.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well one thing is for sure the theory that oil comes from this mass of rotting prehistoric plants has never made sense to me.
But anyways when you say WE can get our oil from home it means nothing to me.
We dont get oil oil companies do and even though it is our OIL, they sell it to us at exhorbitant prices.
Someone is making the money here and it is not me. So if we allow oil companies to harvest OUR supply of oil then charge the same price they charge for oil they bought from Saudia Arabia how am I better off?
I'm not.
Let me get this straight. Oil companies and their stockholders invest all the time, money, research, and development... spend years with trained geologists finding the locations, investing in the mineral rights, constructing the multi-billion dollar oil platforms, the oil tankers... and suddenly it's YOUR oil?
Go to hell, punk.

And the reason for the similar wholesale prices on oil from different areas is because the oil market is global. Prices are nearly the same the world over. The differences at the pump are mostly due to taxes that vary greatly by country, state, or locality.


edit: and yeah, to the OP... this theory is not new. I would consider it overly optimistic, as I simply don't believe that the earth has a limitless supply of oil, and that it would be foolhardy for us to act as if...
 

ReiAyanami

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the talking heads on MSNBC the other day said we (USA) consume 20% of the world's oil and only have 3% of the worlds reserves, noting that drilling in alaska would only add .3%, meaning we would still have to by far import oil and lots of it.

i think working on alternatives is better, because if we're wrong, we're dead. about 3 years ago in the UK they proposed and passed a plan to build massive wind turbines for electricity, but that electricity would cost 10% more than electricty during that time. conservatives obviously would attack the plan, but now the plan is more than economical, as oil went from $20 a barrel to $40 a barrel today
 

zephyrprime

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but that electricity would cost 10% more than electricty during
And the cost effectiveness of wind is rapidly increasing. It will only be a matter of time before it is the cheapest source of electricity where the wind is high grade enough.
 

glenn1

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Maybe my fears of Peak Oil are unfounded?!?

Drop the maybe.

To put it in perspective for you, mankind has been digging for gold for all of history and we haven't run out of that yet, much less oil which we've only cared about for a little over a century. Or to put it another way, name any mineral resource we've ever expended the supply of.
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer

His stated reason for the attacks was because of US's support of the opressive regime in SA, he may be lying but that is the best source we got today. And the support isn't in the past, it goes on today.





stated reason for attack
 

zephyrprime

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To put it in perspective for you, mankind has been digging for gold for all of history and we haven't run out of that yet, much less oil which we've only cared about for a little over a century. Or to put it another way, name any mineral resource we've ever expended the supply of.
Yes but gold also used to be cheap enough that people used it for currency. That's certainly not the case anymore.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Maybe my fears of Peak Oil are unfounded?!?
Drop the maybe.

To put it in perspective for you, mankind has been digging for gold for all of history and we haven't run out of that yet, much less oil which we've only cared about for a little over a century. Or to put it another way, name any mineral resource we've ever expended the supply of.
That's because gold is rare and we haven't really mined that much of it.

USGS

Question: How much gold has been found in the world?

Answer:
Of the 193,000 metric tons of gold discovered to date, 62% is found in just four countries on earth. All the gold discovered thus far would fit in a cube 22 meters on a side.

22 meters = 72 feet 2 inches. The US uses 100 times that volume of oil every day.
 

glenn1

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Vic, the quantity of oil vs. gold produced to date doesn't really matter since as you noted oil is found in greater abundance than gold. We've been digging up both as fast as we could get our hands on it, for 6,000 years plus with gold and 100 or so for oil, and we're not close to running out of either. If anything, the fact that gold is rarer means we should have run out of that long before we run out of oil.