WL leaks list of facilities "vital to US security"

[flexy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11923766


Pretty unconstructive (for lack of other words)...

On the same page there are more bits, eg. of a German firm which exports parts for the Iranian missile program, while "X-ing" out their names...

Sorry..doesn't compute...

 

[Infohawk]

This is getting ridiculous. How is this good?

At this point I'd be interested to see teva wearing college students and whiney canadians get their wish and have the Western Democracies fall. Isn't that the point of these leaks? The world could be a lot worse place than it is now.

 

[Schadenfroh]

OK, this seems like it serves no purpose other than the owner of Wikileaks either being pissed off at NATO or angry that Interpol is trying to bring him in for rape.

 

[Generator]

A snake farm in Australia?! LOL.

The reason this doesn't make sense is because its misinformation from whatever rabble of fascists.

 

[Infohawk]

A snake farm in Australia?! LOL.

The reason this doesn't make sense is because its misinformation from whatever rabble of fascists.

Evidence? Certainly Assange would deny he leaked it if that were the case right?

 

[SP33Demon]

The US State Department has nobody to blame but themselves for letting one of their own volunteer this information. Fcking morons we have running this country.

 

[Infohawk]

The US State Department has nobody to blame but themselves for letting one of their own volunteer this information. Fcking morons we have running this country.

Our government certainly does share in the blame... but obviously it took some thievery and/or treason took place too. There's enough blame to go around.

What's next, Assange discloses all US taxpayer information and SSN numbers? What an asshole.

 

[SP33Demon]

Our government certainly does share in the blame... but obviously it took some thievery and/or treason took place too. There's enough blame to go around.

What's next, Assange discloses all US taxpayer information and SSN numbers? What an asshole.

WikiL will post any doc that our government can't protect. Frankly, I couldn't care less about WikiL since they aren't the cause of the virus but the person who catches it and spreads it. All the virus needs is a host like Washington Post, WikiL, or a bit-torrent to spread.

 

[Nebor]

The US State Department has nobody to blame but themselves for letting one of their own volunteer this information. Fcking morons we have running this country.

Embarrassingly, it wasn't State that caused this leak. It was the military. And the person who leaked had been thoroughly vetted to handle classified documents. Fortunately he didn't leak anything extremely sensitive. It seems like it was all just secret, no TS or higher.

 

[Zebo]

I'd like to know how a low level enlisted man had so much info? Smells.

3 possibilities.

1. Our military is like Anantech and published all reviews for all to see
2. Other sources higher up
3. BS

 

[Infohawk]

I'd like to know how a low level enlisted man had so much info? Smells.

3 possibilities.

1. Our military is like Anantech and published all reviews for all to see
2. Other sources higher up
3. BS

Maybe like Anandtech most people are just really stupid...

 

[Throckmorton]

".... all installations whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security or national security of the United States."

I get it... Julian Assange is opposed to the public health, economic security, and national security of the USA.

 

[PJABBER]

".... all installations whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security or national security of the United States."

I get it... Julian Assange is opposed to the public health, economic security, and national security of the USA.

I think she's got it!

By George, she's got it!

 

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[cubby1223]

WikiL will post any doc that our government can't protect. Frankly, I couldn't care less about WikiL since they aren't the cause of the virus but the person who catches it and spreads it. All the virus needs is a host like Washington Post, WikiL, or a bit-torrent to spread.

Just like the mob boss who orders all the soldiers to steal, scam, murder - it wasn't the boss who performed the acts. He is just a victim of circumstances and should be left alone by the authorities.

I bet dollars to donuts money was flowing from WikiLeaks to everyone who provided them with documents.

 

[sandorski]

The Good News is that there's no way the Terrorists could use the list to cause irreparable harm. The Bad News is that those with the Capability to cause irreparable harm probably already knew all this.

 

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[Demo24]

I'd like to know how a low level enlisted man had so much info? Smells.

3 possibilities.

1. Our military is like Anantech and published all reviews for all to see
2. Other sources higher up
3. BS

You can get a reasonably high level security clearance just for being an intern in security analysis. I suppose there are some measures to try and prevent the documents from being copied in the first place, but if one is determined enough it will get out. The reality is it's a risk one has to take in order not to shut everyone out. It does not appear the leaker was able to grab any truly high level items, would be interesting to know that but I suspect the public shouldn't know it. Either way it's treason and for most people that should be deterrent enough.

 

[Jimmah]

You can get a reasonably high level security clearance just for being an intern in security analysis. I suppose there are some measures to try and prevent the documents from being copied in the first place, but if one is determined enough it will get out. The reality is it's a risk one has to take in order not to shut everyone out. It does not appear the leaker was able to grab any truly high level items, would be interesting to know that but I suspect the public shouldn't know it. Either way it's treason and for most people that should be deterrent enough.

Spot on about the intern thing. I was one at our DND HQ in Ottawa for a while, had access to every financial record for every base in Canada, and all I was doing was sorting and auditing single records.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I've been a HUGE supporter of wikileaks from day one, but even I don't see any benefit from this one. That doesn't mean I want the whole program scrapped, but I think they should have used better judgment on this one release.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'd like to know how a low level enlisted man had so much info? Smells.

3 possibilities.

1. Our military is like Anantech and published all reviews for all to see
2. Other sources higher up
3. BS

Within a month of getting to my first command (COMNAVSURFLANT) I had received my Secret clearance. There was basically no investigation. No one was spoken to about me, I wasn't interviewed, etc. It was more or less a rubber stamp process.

As an E4 at that time I was filing a huge amount of classified documents, processing correspondence, handling mail and exchanges/transfers, etc. Any of that would have allowed me access to such things, and that's before computer networks became common and made it all just that much easier.

I don't know if I knew anyone at the time that didn't have at least some classified material 'borrowed', misplaced, etc. That's because MOST classified documents have no business being classified in the first place, and any monkey knows that so doesn't worry much about it. It's not about keeping people safe, it's about CYA and protecting the jobs/power of the higher ups most of the time.

 

[flexy]

I've been a HUGE supporter of wikileaks from day one, but even I don't see any benefit from this one. That doesn't mean I want the whole program scrapped, but I think they should have used better judgment on this one release.

I dont support the release of this list either, but this might (in some way) explain:

http://wikileaks.nl/articles/2010/U-S-Empire-Shopping-List.html

It reads as if WL released this document primarily to show that the embassy officials are asked to gather this information, while at the same time being asked not to "consult" with their "host governments".

“This further undermines claims made by the US government that its embassy officials do not play an intelligence gathering role."

Furthermore he points out that its odd that such information is to be found and accessible on the SIPR network by "2.5 million people, including civilian, military and private sector personnel".

So what is his point?

Obviously...to discredit the government plus embassy employees because they are basically being told to spy...as well as showing that such "relatively sensitive" documents regarding to many foreign governments...can be looked at by any "low-level security clearance" person on that network.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I dont support the release of this list either, but this might (in some way) explain:

http://wikileaks.nl/articles/2010/U-S-Empire-Shopping-List.html

It reads as if WL released this document primarily to show that the embassy officials are asked to gather this information, while at the same time being asked not to "consult" with their "host governments".

“This further undermines claims made by the US government that its embassy officials do not play an intelligence gathering role."

Furthermore he points out that its odd that such information is to be found and accessible on the SIPR network by "2.5 million people, including civilian, military and private sector personnel".

So what is his point?

Obviously...to discredit the government plus embassy employees because they are basically being told to spy...as well as showing that such "relatively sensitive" documents regarding to many foreign governments...can be looked at by any "low-level security clearance" person on that network.

Yeah, and that part of the release is valid...just edit/censor out what the vital locations are. It's like editing out the name of an undercover agent, while still releasing the fact that some clandestine thing went on.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm interpreting this as a message to the government sort of like "Yes you can screw with me but there will be consequences."

I think over time wikileaks has accumulated enough dirt to show things as they are at a most detailed level.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh in other news federal employees aren't allowed to read the news about this.