Witnessing the beginning of the death of 'burbs'?

[episodic]

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=78865

Young couples increasingly opting to live in the city rather than the 'burbs'.

High gas costs affecting the younger persons in the country with starting wages? Are people going to be returning to the city in greater numbers as energy prices and costs increase? Has it started?

 

[Termagant]

It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

 

[XZeroII]

I never want to live in the city. I love it out here in the 'burbs.

I'm 24yrs old.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

I work in the very center of a major metropolitan area, so I get enough "downtown" 5 days a week. Eventually the novelty wears off, and sometimes a guy just needs to be able to stop and get gas without some drunken stumblebum begging for quarters. And I need a change of scenery on the weekends; after battling traffic, being surrounded by hordes of rude, loud people, and hemmed in by skyscrapers all week long, I need some wide open spaces, peace and quiet, and a clean, decent environment with trees, flowers, and grass.

Plus, I would never let my kid go to the dogsh*t public schools in the city.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist.

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[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

You may be right, but it's worth noting that the RISE of the suburbs came about largely because of the growth of the role of automobile and roads in American life after WWII. And that came about mostly because cars were a cheap, efficient way to live in the "country" but work in the city. When that efficiency is no longer a driving (no pun intended) factor, I suspect the allure of the suburbs will go away.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have no love for cities or burbs. I'm looking forward to the terraforming of Mars.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist. Welcome to P & N Mr Republican talking points.

Most of the people from my generation, who grew up in the burbs, are hardly rich and yet have chosen to return to urban areas...this is a fact, not a talking point.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I have no love for cities or burbs. I'm looking forward to the terraforming of Mars.

:thumbsup:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist.

Welcome to P & N Mr Republican talking points.

Funny, cities are often more expensive to live in than the suburbs.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: episodic
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=78865

Young couples increasingly opting to live in the city rather than the 'burbs'.

High gas costs affecting the younger persons in the country with starting wages? Are people going to be returning to the city in greater numbers as energy prices and costs increase? Has it started?

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist.

Welcome to P & N Mr Republican talking points.

Funny, cities are often more expensive to live in than the suburbs.

What I find annoying personally is whn I report things like this THREE years ago, the Republican pundits in here lambast me and say it's not happening.

Now a newspaper publishes the exact same thing and it's real.

" in the past four years, growth in Atlanta has gained momentum.

This year, its population growth outstripped suburban Clayton, Douglas, Fayette and Rockdale counties."

What you'll find if you ever visit the surrounding suburban atlanta region is more than half empty subdivision after subdivision. It's modern day ghost towns in the making.

Enjoy

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

What I find annoying personally is whn I report things like this THREE years ago, the Republican pundits in here lambast me and say it's not happening.

Funny, Chicken Little had the same problem.

 

[Legend]

Suburbs around here are booming (Nashville, TN Metro area). However, US total (citizen) population is in decline, so it wouldn't suprise me that overall suburbs are in decline. I always get the impression that suburbs have more children.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: episodic
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=78865

Young couples increasingly opting to live in the city rather than the 'burbs'.

High gas costs affecting the younger persons in the country with starting wages? Are people going to be returning to the city in greater numbers as energy prices and costs increase? Has it started?

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist.

Welcome to P & N Mr Republican talking points.

Funny, cities are often more expensive to live in than the suburbs.

What I find annoying personally is whn I report things like this THREE years ago, the Republican pundits in here lambast me and say it's not happening.

Now a newspaper publishes the exact same thing and it's real.

" in the past four years, growth in Atlanta has gained momentum.

This year, its population growth outstripped suburban Clayton, Douglas, Fayette and Rockdale counties."

What you'll find if you ever visit the surrounding suburban atlanta region is more than half empty subdivision after subdivision. It's modern day ghost towns in the making.

Enjoy

Seems like people are moving closer because of the horrid traffic in Atlanta. Instead of driving from way out, they drive from something like Sandy Springs. They have not lost their attachment to the car.

 

[conehead433]

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: episodic
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=78865

Young couples increasingly opting to live in the city rather than the 'burbs'.

High gas costs affecting the younger persons in the country with starting wages? Are people going to be returning to the city in greater numbers as energy prices and costs increase? Has it started?

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist.

Welcome to P & N Mr Republican talking points.

Funny, cities are often more expensive to live in than the suburbs.

What I find annoying personally is whn I report things like this THREE years ago, the Republican pundits in here lambast me and say it's not happening.

Now a newspaper publishes the exact same thing and it's real.

" in the past four years, growth in Atlanta has gained momentum.

This year, its population growth outstripped suburban Clayton, Douglas, Fayette and Rockdale counties."

What you'll find if you ever visit the surrounding suburban atlanta region is more than half empty subdivision after subdivision. It's modern day ghost towns in the making.

Enjoy

Seems like people are moving closer because of the horrid traffic in Atlanta. Instead of driving from way out, they drive from something like Sandy Springs. They have not lost their attachment to the car.

Sandy Springs used to be the burbs. Now you can't hardly tell you've left Atlanta except for crossing 285.

 

[yllus]

I lived in the suburbs of Toronto my entire life, and recently moved into the heart of downtown because it puts my 20 minutes away from work by subway. Yet I'll probably move back out into the suburbs when it comes to purchase a house because I'd like the whole backyard and garage bit.

In general terms, moving back into the city is sort of a good thing - continued urban sprawl isn't encouraged. Maintaining all those roads, power lines and hydro stations takes money, whereas greater density in the city is more cost-efficient. Frankly, it's better than the reverse trend that afflicts city - a hollowed out downtown core with all of the residents living in the suburbs.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Termagant
It may be that the allure of the suburbs has diminished after about 50 years. A lot of people who grew up in suburbs may simply want a change of scenery, or jobs may be concentrating in cities again. I personally don't think gas prices are high enough to lead to large life decisions by the middle class.

Here is the latest resident Rich apologist.

Welcome to P & N Mr Republican talking points.

That response is unduly harsh and uncalled for, really.

I did the suburbs to city living experiment after the first energy crunch for about a dozen years. Quite a few twenty-somethings (liberal and conservative) did the same thing at the time. I lasted about a dozen years, which was longer than most. My conclusion-the costs of city life (increased taxes, insurance, crime and hassles) more than outweigh any gas savings.

I expect energy costs to cut into the trend we have these days towards the oversized McMansions and SUVs (hopefully) but causing a regrowth of central cities, I'm pessimistic on.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Legend
Suburbs around here are booming (Nashville, TN Metro area). However, US total (citizen) population is in decline, so it wouldn't suprise me that overall suburbs are in decline. I always get the impression that suburbs have more children.

Why do you think we're importing so many Mexicans.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: episodic
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=78865

Young couples increasingly opting to live in the city rather than the 'burbs'.

High gas costs affecting the younger persons in the country with starting wages? Are people going to be returning to the city in greater numbers as energy prices and costs increase? Has it started?

Just my humble opinion, I think the trend is related to more people concentrating on their career/personal life rather than family. If you have kids, I cannot think of one reason why you want to raise your kids in the city. But for people who don't have kids, city is great, lots of places to meet people, have fun, close to work (maybe).

American are having kids later and later, many choose to not have kids at all. Plus with 50% divorce rate, family is not the holy grail it once was. With family not being a big deal anymore, I can see people prefer living in the cities and have more choice to go out, meet people and have fun.

 

[homercles337]

Yea, i see lots of breeders in Cambridge and Boston. I wish they would move to the 'burbs.

 

[Vic]

It's all part of the housing boom over the last decade that spurred a lot of gentrification in the inner cities. Young couples could get more affordable deals buying older deferred homes in the inner cities than they could buying new developments out in the 'burbs. Then they fixed up the old homes with a lot of sweat equity. It became "cool" to live in the city again, and that brought some big money in. It is IMO one of the best things to come out of the boom.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic
It's all part of the housing boom over the last decade that spurred a lot of gentrification in the inner cities. Young couples could get more affordable deals buying older deferred homes in the inner cities than they could buying new developments out in the 'burbs. Then they fixed up the old homes with a lot of sweat equity. It became "cool" to live in the city again, and that brought some big money in. It is IMO one of the best things to come out of the boom.

Where should poor old people live?

 

[WiseOldDude]

The noise pollution in the city is unhealthy, though many people become accustomed to it, it does effect their health.

As a country, give me the crickets and tree frogs, natures night music anytime. No honking horns, punks that think they are a man because they can bust eardrums with their speakers, plus the normal din of traffic, trucks, sirens. It's also 10 degrees cooler out here where trees and grass don't act as heat islands.

 

[Polish3d]

I don't like the city at all. Too much shi-t going on, never peaceful. The burbs are a good mix of people and space. I'm not a fan of the country either

 

[Orsorum]

I grew up in the suburbs, but I've lived in the city for the last five years. I've also spent quite a bit of time in small towns and the country, so I've had my taste of different living styles. In my opinion, I'll probably live in the city until I reach a point where I want to transfer to a smaller accounting firm that's located in a small town; at that point, I'll move far enough away from work to be located in country proper.

In short, I can't stand the suburbs. Combines the worst aspects of the city and the country.