Al Qaeda is funded by radical elements within the Arab community. The fact that they aren't wearing an Iraqi or Iranian or Afghani flag on their shoulder makes it OK? Do you think the United States would not IMMEDIATELY condemn and work toward the destruction of a group of U.S. citizens that killed or tortured Arabs? If a United States citizen hijacked and plane and flew it into a skyscraper in Bagdad, you don't think President Bush wouldn't immediate make a statement saying he would do everything in his power to bring those responsible to justice? We see no such responses from the Arab community.
Al Qaeda is funded by radical elements within the Arab community. The fact that they aren't wearing an Iraqi or Iranian or Afghani flag on their shoulder makes it OK? Do you think the United States would not IMMEDIATELY condemn and work toward the destruction of a group of U.S. citizens that killed or tortured Arabs? If a United States citizen hijacked and plane and flew it into a skyscraper in Bagdad, you don't think President Bush wouldn't immediate make a statement saying he would do everything in his power to bring those responsible to justice? We see no such responses from the Arab community.
Actually, an equivalent response would be to say all whites, or at least all english speakers, including all Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, et al., should apologize. But, of course, then there's the fact that what you refer to as "arabs" probably doesn't include just arabs. I'd be willing to wager money that you'd include Afghans, who of course, are not "arabs" insofar as they are neither semitic nor speakers of the language. Pressed on the matter, I imagine, you'd also throw in Iranians, who are Persians and of Indo-european, not semitic, descent. And I'd even be willing to bet you would, just for good measure, throw in any Pakistanis, Indians, and people of any other culture if they happen to practice Islam.
So basically, you don't blame this on "arabs;" you blame it on "AY-RABS," with the term referring to anyone you've decided to lump into a group and hate all at once (after all, bigots can't be expected to spend all their time fully categorizing everyone they hate).
For if this is not what you meant, then you would not seek to claim that asking the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, at least some of whom have apparently been abusing and torturing the people they'd ostensibly been sent to "liberate" and "bring freedom and democracy to," to apologize specifically for the actions of those people (with the ability to make clear, in so doing, that those who commited such acts do represent all Americans) is in any way similar to asking all members of entire ethnic and religious groups that, together, comprise of roughly 1/4 of the world's population to apologize, individually, for the actions of some two dozen people who allegedly committed a deplorable act of violence.
cumhail
So basically, you don't blame this on "arabs;" you blame it on "AY-RABS," with the term referring to anyone you've decided to lump into a group and hate all at once (after all, bigots can't be expected to spend all their time fully categorizing everyone they hate).
For if this is not what you meant, then you would not seek to claim that asking the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, at least some of whom have apparently been abusing and torturing the people they'd ostensibly been sent to "liberate" and "bring freedom and democracy to," to apologize specifically for the actions of those people (with the ability to make clear, in so doing, that those who commited such acts do represent all Americans) is in any way similar to asking all members of entire ethnic and religious groups that, together, comprise of roughly 1/4 of the world's population to apologize, individually, for the actions of some two dozen people who allegedly committed a deplorable act of violence.
cumhail
Damnit who quotes on top? I almost had a seizure reading your message.
*I* am not the one who started the term 'Arab' in this thread. I'm just asking, since the original poster claims Bush should apologize to the Arabs, if they in turn do not owe one to US?
President Bush says he is sorry for the humiliation suffered by Iraqi prisoners...quit whining, Peaceniks.
This discussion seems to be going in circles since Crimson doesn't seem to understand that the isues is with the US trying to present itself as a Champion of Human Rights, and then it's soldiers (which represent it's government and it's policies) are doing fvcked up things in Iraq.
Personally I don't give a sh1t if bush appologizes or not. i'm more interested in what he will do to ensure no such things happen again. And by that i don't mean more secrecy, but more open accountability.
Personally I don't give a sh1t if bush appologizes or not. i'm more interested in what he will do to ensure no such things happen again. And by that i don't mean more secrecy, but more open accountability.
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I heard today on the radio that apologizing in Arab terms, means that the person apologizing is weak or something to that effect. Whatever it was, it isn't proper to apologize for anything in the Arabs land. Can anyone vouche for this. I don't know too many arabs to find out their customs and such.
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Bush apologizes for prisoner abuse indirectly to the public. Good move.
I don't think it is a question of whether he is responsible for the abuse, it is more a question of showing he is against it by apologizing on behalf of Americans. The president does represent us, and if our soldiers abuse foreign prisoners we should apologize and make sure it never happens again.
Bush apologizes for prisoner abuse indirectly to the public. Good move.
I don't think it is a question of whether he is responsible for the abuse, it is more a question of showing he is against it by apologizing on behalf of Americans. The president does represent us, and if our soldiers abuse foreign prisoners we should apologize and make sure it never happens again.
You stupid stupid stupid morons. We SHOULD apologize, because we are the ones that claimed moral superiority, and said we invaded to PREVENT things like that from happening. It is a really easy concept to understand, and it should not be compared to anything else.
You don't have a soul, so why should I care what you think? I voted for Bush, and I consider myself Conservative. However, I don't enjoy or laugh at people being tortured. Maybe that's your bag, but it has been said before that you are an ass. Don't let your partisan politics get in the way of your soul or anything.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Cool, now we are just waiting for you to apologize to those whom you called stupid stupid stupid morons
Can't really dispute the veracity of that, eh?
Oopps wrong again. Iraq didn't kill and torture any contractors. It was a few Iraqi insurgents.
Shouldn't you be pushing the idea that the insurgents are small in number and "dead-enders?" And that the majority of Iraqis are throwing flowers at US soldiers and hence are innocent?
By your standards, America is responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing, the Unibomber, etc. And should apologize to its citizens for the actions of other citizens?
Zephyr
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Eh??Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Cool, now we are just waiting for you to apologize to those whom you called stupid stupid stupid morons
Can't really dispute the veracity of that, eh?
He's a very angry person.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Eh??Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Cool, now we are just waiting for you to apologize to those whom you called stupid stupid stupid morons
Can't really dispute the veracity of that, eh?
I was saying I can't argue with the truth of your post.
These aren't just citizens, they are American soldiers who were sent to Iraq to liberate them. If our soldiers do something wrong, then yes, the government must apologize. Also, as was said earlier, we claimed the moral high ground and we can't have these kind of things happen and not tell the Arabs we are sorry it did.
By your standards, we should just let the soldiers do what they will, punish them eventually, and screw the Arabs--they don't deserve an apology for anything we do.
q]Originally posted by: Crimson
Have they apologized for 9/11 yet?[/quote]Does it make any difference? Just because someone else is an asshole doesn't give us the right to do the same, especially under color of the uniformed forces of U.S.
George W. Bush, Jr. has no balls and even less brains, morals or ethics. Any U.S. troops or contractors who committed these atrocities under color of authority have embarrassed all of us. If you don't accept this, you haven't paid attention to how even the most moderate and friendly Arabs have reacted to this.
After first refusing to apologize at his first opportunity on Arab media, Bush-lite doesn't understand that he is supposed to speak for all of us to proclaim our sincerest apologies for the shame brought on us by any Americans who participated in this, whether it's one or many.
If he has to be pushed into a weak apology after his initial failure to do so, he simply doesn't have the moral or ethical understanding to comprehend the real wrong that was done in our name. His apology now appears to be totally insincere and forced as a lame attempt at a political salvage job.
George W. Bush, Jr. is a social embarrassment to Americans of any political stripe, and he is unfit to lead this country. :|
Have they apologized for 9/11 yet?[/quote]Does it make any difference? Just because someone else is an asshole doesn't give us the right to do the same, especially under color of the uniformed forces of U.S.
TOO LITTLE and TOO LATE! :frown:
George W. Bush, Jr. has no balls and even less brains, morals or ethics. Any U.S. troops or contractors who committed these atrocities under color of authority have embarrassed all of us. If you don't accept this, you haven't paid attention to how even the most moderate and friendly Arabs have reacted to this.
After first refusing to apologize at his first opportunity on Arab media, Bush-lite doesn't understand that he is supposed to speak for all of us to proclaim our sincerest apologies for the shame brought on us by any Americans who participated in this, whether it's one or many.
If he has to be pushed into a weak apology after his initial failure to do so, he simply doesn't have the moral or ethical understanding to comprehend the real wrong that was done in our name. His apology now appears to be totally insincere and forced as a lame attempt at a political salvage job.
George W. Bush, Jr. is a social embarrassment to Americans of any political stripe, and he is unfit to lead this country. :|
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