With the Iran death toll now at 28,000+, is this the largest natural disaster in terms of life?

ReiAyanami

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i can't recall any single natural events in which more than 28k+ have been wiped out in moments. i know the two a-bombs killed hundreds of thousands instantly but those are man-made. has there ever been a larger natural disaster tragedy? i would have to guess it'd be an earth-quake unless u count the first impact which wiped out the dinos
 

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i can't recall any single natural events in which more than 28k+ have been wiped out in moments. i know the two a-bombs killed hundreds of thousands instantly but those are man-made. has there ever been a larger natural disaster tragedy? i would have to guess it'd be an earth-quake unless u count the first impact which wiped out the dinos

i think pompei was around the same number
but if you accept disease as natural event there are plenty of examples
 

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There was a quake in China that killed over 500,000. However, it looks like the death toll in this case may rise to 50,000. This would equal the toll from the previous deadliest quake in Iran's history.

"If we consider that, on average, five people lived in each house we can say the death toll will reach 50,000," one official told Reuters news agency.

Aid agencies are caring for some 100,000 homeless survivors amid the ruins of the ancient Silk Route city.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3356175.stm
 

Aegion

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There was an interesting article in the Guardian about building construction standards in Iran.
Why did so many have to die in Bam?

David Aaronovitch
Tuesday December 30, 2003
The Guardian

The Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei yesterday managed to get to Bam, three days after the earthquake which may have killed 30,000 of his fellow Iranians. The president, Mohammad Khatami, followed soon afterwards. Khamenei had words of dubious comfort for survivors when he told them that "we will rebuild Bam stronger than before". Given the collapse of 80% of the buildings, from the old fortress to the new hospitals, the Iranian government could hardly make the new Bam as weak as the old one.
Some will see this as simply a natural disaster of the kind to which Iran, according to Khatami, is "prone". Four days earlier, however, there had been another earthquake of about the same intensity, this time in California. In which about 0.000001% of the buildings suffered serious structural damage and two people were killed when an old clocktower collapsed. So why the polar disparity between Bam and Paso Robles?

This is not a silly question. True, the Californians are much richer than the Iranians. But if you believed everything you read in the works of M Moore and others, you would anticipate a culture of corporate greed in which safety and regulation came way behind the desire to turn the quick buck. Instead you discover a society in which the protection of citizens from falling masonry seems to be regarded as enormously important.

Whereas in Iran - for all its spiritual solidarity - the authorities don't appear to give a toss. The report in this paper from Teheran yesterday was revealing. It was one thing for the old, mud-walled citadel to fall down, but why the new hospitals? An accountant waiting to give blood at a clinic in the capital told our correspondent that it was a "disgrace that a rich country like ours with all the revenue from oil and other natural resources is not prepared to deal with an earthquake".

The reformist Iran News asked on its website, "How many times have we reminded the ruling establishment that the first structures to fall during a major earthquake would be those dealing with emergency management and relief, such as hospitals, police and fire stations? The officials in charge are either deaf or simply don't care."

Iran had the money to do much of what was needed. After the Kobe earthquake of January 1995 a report concluded that most deaths had been caused by the collapse of housing built in the traditional Japanese manner. This style was based on a post-and-beam system, with tiles or thick mud laid on top. The roofs came down easily, and when they did, they crushed everything beneath. And exactly the same thing seems to have happened in Bam, as much to new as to old buildings. The use of corrugated iron roofs would have been much safer.

So why, despite the loss of 40,000 lives in the Gilan earthquake of 1990, had nothing been done? The same question was being asked back in the queue outside the clinic. Fariba Hemati told the Guardian what she thought of official efforts, "Our government is only preoccupied with slogans: 'Death to America', 'Death to Israel', 'Death to this and that'. We have had three major earthquakes in the past three decades. Thousands of people have died but nothing has been done. Why?"

As she was queueing Jahanbakhsh Khanjani, spokesman for Iran's interior ministry, was denying that a team from Israel was coming to help. "The Islamic Republic of Iran," he told the press, "accepts all kinds of humanitarian aid from all countries and international organisations, with the exception of the Zionist regime." The Israelis, of course, have some reputation for rescue work, but it was ideology rather than humanity that was at stake here.

The answer to Hemati is that, after a quarter of a century, Iran is still being ruled by a useless, incompetent semi-theocracy, which is fatalistic, complacent, unresponsive and often brutal. And such a system does not deliver to its citizens one fraction of what the Great Satan, for all its manifest faults, manages to guarantee to ordinary Americans.

Following the fall of the Berlin wall there was, as the philosopher John Gray put it, a "false dawn" of the New Age of Liberal Democracy, in which all problems everywhere could be expected to be solved by a free market and free elections. But this triumphalism has been replaced, in some quarters at least, by the equally vacuous tropes of the anti-globalisation movement and its demonisation of liberal capitalism.

What, I wonder, has Arundhati Roy to say now about the superiority of traditional building methods over globalised ones? Some Iranians might think that it's a shame there wasn't a McDonald's in Bam. It would have been the safest place in town.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1113895,00.html
 

Mardeth

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Not even close, a flood in China drowned 900,000 people. Im not sure if this is the largest natural disaster in terms of life but at least in the flood section.
 

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i can't recall any single natural events in which more than 28k+ have been wiped out in moments. i know the two a-bombs killed hundreds of thousands instantly but those are man-made. has there ever been a larger natural disaster tragedy? i would have to guess it'd be an earth-quake unless u count the first impact which wiped out the dinos

The Bubonic Plague, not much different from SARs and originated in China spread to the world slowly (mainly by boat back then in the 1330's) and killed 25 Million people.

 

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