With statehood, Palestine ready to end all claims

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JEDIYoda

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Interesting!! I see no mention of Hamas ( except for the talks about a prisoner sawp) at all....why??
I thought Hamas was the democratically elected government of the palestinians!!??!!
Where`s Lemon law when you need him??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101017/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

RAMALLAH, West Bank – The Palestinians are ready to end all historic claims against Israel once they establish their state in the lands Israel occupied in the 1967 Mideast War, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Sunday, addressing a long-standing Israeli demand.

In an interview with Israel TV, Abbas also said negotiations with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu remain his preferred choice, but that he will consider other options if talks break down over Israel's continued settlement expansion.

Negotiations were relaunched by the Obama administration last month, but quickly faltered over Israel's refusal to extend a curb on Jewish settlement construction. Abbas says there's no point negotiating as long as settlements take over more land claimed by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians want to establish a state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, captured by Israel in 1967. Israel has withdrawn from Gaza, but about half a million Israelis have settled in the other war-won areas.

Netanyahu wants the Palestinians to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and said earlier this week he might extend a curb on settlement construction in exchange for such recognition. A 10-month-old moratorium on West Bank housing starts expired in late September, and Abbas has said he will not return to negotiations without an extension.

The Palestinians argue that it's not up to them to determine the nature of the state of Israel. Abbas noted that Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization recognized each other in 1993, saying this should be sufficient. Abbas heads the PLO.

However, in an apparent attempt to reach out to Israeli public opinion, he said that once the Palestinians have established their state in the 1967 borders, "there is another important thing to end, the conflict, and we are ready for that, to end the historic demands."

He did not elaborate on specifically which demands he was relinquishing, but traditionally Palestinians have demanded the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homelands in Israeli territory.

Asked about options if talks collapse, Abbas said the Palestinians might turn to the U.N. Security Council to seek recognition of their state. "All the options are open, but we don't want to use all of them right now. We are focusing on resuming direct talks," he said.
He said that for the time being, he has not considered resigning or dissolving the Palestinian Authority, his self-rule government which has limited control over about 40 percent of the West Bank.

Abbas defended his decision not to resume talks until Israel curbs settlements, noting that the international community is unanimous in its demand for a settlement freeze. "When (President Barack) Obama came to power, he is the one who announced that settlement activity must be stopped," Abbas said. "If American says it and Europe says it and the whole world says it, you want me not to say it?"

Since the start of negotiations, Abbas said he spent about 25 hours talking to Netanyahu directly, and that they spoke freely.

Abbas said that when he appealed to Netanyahu to halt settlement building, the Israeli leader told him his government would fall. Netanyahu heads a center-right coalition with several pro-settlement parties.

"I told him this is a historic opportunity for you that we sign a peace agreement," Abbas said of his conversations with Netanyahu. "I am afraid if we can't do it these days, the opportunity will be lost."

In other developments Sunday, Netanyahu said Israel has resumed indirect talks with the Hamas rulers of Gaza about swapping hundreds of Palestinian prisoners for a captive soldier held for more than four years. The German mediator who has been working to broker a deal to bring home the soldier for about a year has returned to the region, Netanyahu said. The soldier was captured in 2006.

In northern Gaza, meanwhile, an Israeli airstrike killed two militants.

The Israeli military said its air force targeted a squad of militants preparing to fire rockets at Israel.

The militants' affiliation was not immediately known, but they did not appear to be connected to Hamas or any other major group since there was no claim of responsibility.

The Israeli military said more than 165 rockets and mortars have been fired at Israel from Gaza so far this year.
 
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Will Abbas trade it all, including the Palestinian right to return to get to a bullshit agreement. I for one think not, but its now long past that, will the larger world tolerate
Israeli settler want it all bullshit?

That is now the issue JediY, the worlds now knows we can kick cans down the road or cut through the bullshit now.

But meanwhile Israel's Bozo Netanyuhu, for his own political survival, has taken the low road and everyone in the world now knows it.

Maybe the Israeli crapola will still halfway play in the USA, but its lost all cred in 95% of the world.

I will not engage in pissing contests with you, when I have more faith in the reality that must happen now that Israeli leadership has all but said we will except no compromises and instead demand to pig it all. As Israel loses all credibility.
 

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It was Abbas that wanted to be the pig. showing up at the last moment and then wanting everything his way. Where was he the first 8 months of the freeze?

And does he have the authority to make a deal for the Palestinians w/ Israel?
 
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Will Abbas trade it all, including the Palestinian right to return to get to a bullshit agreement. I for one think not, but its now long past that, will the larger world tolerate
Israeli settler want it all bullshit?

That is now the issue JediY, the worlds now knows we can kick cans down the road or cut through the bullshit now.

But meanwhile Israel's Bozo Netanyuhu, for his own political survival, has taken the low road and everyone in the world now knows it.

Maybe the Israeli crapola will still halfway play in the USA, but its lost all cred in 95&#37; of the world.

I will not engage in pissing contests with you, when I have more faith in the reality that must happen now that Israeli leadership has all but said we will except no compromises and instead demand to pig it all. As Israel loses all credibility.

Of course you won`t get in a pissing contest. You don`t want to lose another pissing contest!!

Did you read the article..umm NO!!

Dude your mushrooms must really be good!!
This article is NOT about what Israel wants or demands....
It is totally about Abbas and the Palestinians.

The rest of the article has to do with a Hamas/Israel prisoner exchange...well not exactly one Israeli prisoner is worth how many Hamas terrorists?? lolol

So would you kindly stay on topic?
Please don`t pull a dahunan on us.....
 
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Yes I did read your link JediY, no I do not believe your version of reality, and yes its the larger world rather than Israel and the Palestinian people who will have to finally resolve this mess.

The telling quote in your own link stated the current impasse, namely, "Since the start of negotiations, Abbas said he spent about 25 hours talking to Netanyahu directly, and that they spoke freely.

Abbas said that when he appealed to Netanyahu to halt settlement building, the Israeli leader told him his government would fall. Netanyahu heads a center-right coalition with several pro-settlement parties."

Which translates into Netanyuhu is politically unable to be an honest peace partner.

And now the whole world knows Israel wants to pig it all. On disputed land Israel cannot ever own. Meanwhile Israeli continues a 43 year military occupation that is increasingly being called into question, because the larger world is waiting for a fair division that Israel now refuses to allow.

In short the Israeli charade is now at an end, and Abbas is proved correct. Why negotiate with an Israel without a settlement freeze, because Israel just uses the time to increase its settlements.

Maybe great for Israel, but fatal for any hope of a just and fair mid-east peace. Therefore the issue must be settled by binding third party arbitration or by the South African type solution of giving Palestinians the vote.

Or maybe the world will just kick the can down the road as international terrorism gets a big shot in the arm.

But regardless what the larger world decides to do in the coming months, the Palestinian issue will never go away until there is a fair settlement of the issue and its going to increasingly be Israeli behavior that is put under world scrutiny. And right now, the Israeli image is not looking good and looking worse by the minute.

The USA is now the only country that even half way supports Israel and the Israeli image is far worse in the rest of the world.

But now that Israel has firmly said they will not negotiate, I look at this as an end game Israeli position that the world cannot support.

Jediy you may think differently, but only subsequent events will show which of us are right.
 

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A settlement freeze is a precondition. That freeze existed for 10 months. What did the Pals do. Nothing to see if they can create leverage by other parties by not showing up until the last minute and then crying that the freeze will not be extended.

Israel should not freeze for a min of 8 months - that is how long the Pals deliberately wasted.

third party arbitration only works when all want it to. Netiher the Pals nor the Iaraelis want someone else to dictacte their future.

Which translates into Netanyuhu is politically unable to be an honest peace partner

And neither can Abbas be a partner that represents the Pals. He is not their elected leader, nor appointed to negotiate by the leadership. He can only represent the West Bank Pals.
 

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Common Courtesy, in all due respects your statement of, "A settlement freeze is a precondition. That freeze existed for 10 months. What did the Pals do.", is nothing but a Israeli talking point that is not factual and few people in the world still believe.

Ever since the assassination of Rabin by a fellow Jew, Israel has talked and talked and settled and settled, and Israel has never addressed any real issues.

The Abbas position is and remains that Israel must have not a temporary but a permanent settlement freeze in both East Jerusalem and the West Bank as the precondition price of peace talks.
Israel never had an practicing agreement to permanently freeze settlements during those ten months, because Israel kept settling and evicting Arabs from East Jerusalem all during those ten months. Finally under pressure Abbas agreed to talk and as soon as Abbas started talking, Israel resumed settlement with a vengeance in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

And now the entire world knows Abbas was correct and Netanyuhu is a liar. Common Courtesy, in all due respects, your Israeli propaganda talking point NO LONGER OPERATES because Netanyuhu done hauled it away, through his own deeds.

Maybe I should not expect total Israeli fan clubbers to understand Israeli hypocrisy, but the other 98&#37; of the world fully understands how phony your talking point now is.
 
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Israel put up the freeze. The Pals did not show up for the first 8. They had to be bribed and/or pressure put on them by the outside world. They were not interested in peace on their own free will.
Israel stated the freeze would exist for 10 months.
The Pals wanted it to be continued. But the Pals refused to offer anything at the table for this negotiation/condition.

The Pals still have not offered anything in the negotiations; it is all take; Israel has to give.

Israel has said that if there is to be peace talks; it will start with no preconditions. The Pals want it their way or they will cancel the talks and go sulk.
 
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The Pals may go off and sulk, but the real question is if Israel will get dopeslapped by the entire world?

Time and not you and I will determine that outcome.
 
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The Pals may go off and sulk, but the real question is if Israel will get dopeslapped by the entire world?

Time and not you and I will determine that outcome.
No one will go and slap Israel as long as the Pals do not show any effort in being at the table.

The world will see the Pals as they are - spoiled children that can not think/act for themselves.
 

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Abbas is an idiot. He just budged. Now Israel will be negoiting from this (weaker) position without giving an inch. Needless to say, with the way things are on the ground, Israel could care less what Abbas says. The Palestinians are not getting Jerusalem as a capital and they certainly aren't getting an unmolested West Bank back either. They have absolutely no source of strength to call (or fall) upon should the talks go nowhere again. Abbas should do the right thing and go kill himself.
 
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