With exit deadline looming, U.S. battles insurgents in Mosul

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GooeyGUI

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As the deadline nears for U.S. troops to exit major Iraqi cities, units in Mosul are in the midst of a months-long operation to sweep out extremist fighters.

The decision on whether to keep troops in the restive northern city beyond June 30 has been a sticking point between the United States and Iraq. Parts of the city remain under insurgent control and high-profile attacks continue, unlike the vast majority of the country.

"We still have a major operation going inside of Mosul with all forces assisting and helping out. We expect that to end here within about 30 to 45 days, and then there will be a decision to be made," the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. Raymond Odierno, told reporters at the Pentagon on Friday.

"I was just up there Saturday, and we conducted a joint assessment," he said. "There's some problems that we have to work through but, in fact, there's potential that they [Iraqi forces] can handle the mission" when they take over in July.

Despite concerns about the continuing violence, the government of Iraq said last week it will not extend the deadline for U.S. combat troops to leave Iraqi cities.

The joint operation to clear Mosul of insurgents has been going on for 75 days, neighborhood by neighborhood, according to Odierno.

"It's going to take us another 30 days to finish that," he said.

Mosul has become the last major fighting ground in Iraq as insurgents, mainly al Qaeda, were pushed north out of Baghdad during the U.S. troop "surge" that started in 2007. Insurgents were able to entrench in the city as U.S. and Iraqi forces cleared and held Baghdad and other regions.

A number of U.S. troops were moved out of Mosul to help with surge operations farther south, leaving Mosul and surrounding areas mainly to Iraqi forces and a smaller U.S. military contingent.

While Odierno said the current operations are "having a good impact," in Mosul, continued high-profile attacks haunt commanders there.

On May 1 a suicide bomb was detonated near a coffee shop, killing at least six people.

Five U.S. soldiers were killed on April 10 when a suicide bomber breached the outer security barrier of Iraqi National Police headquarters in southern Mosul. It was the single deadliest attack on U.S. troops in more than a year, the U.S. military said.

Odierno noted the tactic of using women as suicide bombers is being used by insurgents in Mosul.

"We've seen a few in Mosul -- a couple of attacks were connected by Tunisian foreign fighters that came in, we think, through Syria. We actually detained the leader of the cell, so now we're learning more and more about it," he said.

U.S. and Iraqi forces are also facing a recent increase of attacks in Baghdad, which Odierno and other U.S. military officials pin on al Qaeda trying to again foment sectarian violence.

"We're trying to get inside of these cells. We're trying to understand where they're coming from and we have been successful. We are picking people up," the general said.

He said the United States has improved its intelligence sharing with the Iraqi forces over the past six months, helping to impair the ability of the insurgents to move around.

"Their [Iraqi forces'] strength is the human intelligence. Our strength comes in other ways. And so we're trying to combine those together so we can work toward solving this problem," he said.

But with 45 days left until the security agreement with Iraq takes U.S. troops in Baghdad off the streets and back to their bases, there is some uncertainty about how Iraqi forces will contain the current violence.

It surprised me a little. With everybody worried about Pakistan and Afghanistan, plus the coming draw down in Iraq, I thought things would be better by this time.

Having 45 days is not very long to "outlast" our opponents in Mosul. If it is al-queda then the Iraqis will have to sort it out a little faster if they still want the extra help necessary to oppose them.


 

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It surprised me a little. With everybody worried about Pakistan and Afghanistan, plus the coming draw down in Iraq, I thought things would be better by this time.

I've been screaming this for over two years, but everyone seems to put their rose galsses on on pretend that it's all better.

Mosul was NEVER "under control", and the insurgents arrested there for the most part are NOT forced north from Baghdad.

There's no foreign fighters in Iraq (so some would have you believe). That's funny, when in 2007 in Badoush prison (NorthWest Mosul) there was a whole portion of the prison composed mainly of foreign prisoners. They (foreign prisoners) were busted out in a high profile escape coordinated by more foreigners (likely Al Queda and ISI) that also blew up several of the main bridges over the Tigris river to block Police and military response to the break. Of the 140 or so escaping the prison, just under 50 prisoners were sucessful.

As far as current affairs in Iraq....Across Iraq, the violence should rise while the Iraqis figure out what is important to them. Once this is sorted out, they need to continue to support rule of law, while at the same time encouraging more public debate about the future of Iraq as a "Nation".



 

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If you look at it from the perspective of insurgents in Mosul, why should they fight their battles against US troops, when after a few months of laying low, they can fight weaker and less organized Iraqi troops. At the same time, less violent Iraqi insurgents groups more content to just use corruption and graft to skim off oil money profits may later ally with the violent set of Mosul insurgents if the Iraqi government starts to get too strong and threatens to put all the insurgents out of business.

The too small US occupation of Iraqi with the anarchy that followed empowered all the various Iraqi insurgencies, and that makes a strong and effective Iraqi government a threat to all the Iraqi insurgencies. And after acquiring a taste for power, Iraqi insurgencies are not going to give up power easily.

Its simple human nature, the same everywhere. As for Iraq, its a time will tell.
 

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Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Having 45 days is not very long to "outlast" our opponents in Mosul.

Let the Iraqi army outlast them, why must it be us?
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Having 45 days is not very long to "outlast" our opponents in Mosul.

Let the Iraqi army outlast them, why must it be us?

Last paragraph quoted from the article

But with 45 days left until the security agreement with Iraq takes U.S. troops in Baghdad off the streets and back to their bases, there is some uncertainty about how Iraqi forces will contain the current violence.

To fully full quote me it contained a direct reference to the Iraqis taking over

If it is al-queda then the Iraqis will have to sort it out a little faster if they still want the extra help necessary to oppose them.

The article spoke of the fact that it is not believed that it is actually insurgents although it is entitled that way. The likelihood of al-queda being responsible of trying to create unrest, was to blame. Also, there was a time frame of needing 30 to 45 more days to finish operations that had being going on for 75 days.

Al-queda is not just a problem in Iraq by itself. Iraq will continue to work with us, even after were gone, just like other countries are now doing.



 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Having 45 days is not very long to "outlast" our opponents in Mosul.

Let the Iraqi army outlast them, why must it be us?

I have more confidence in the insurgents corrupting the Iraqi army than the Iraqi army eliminating insurgents
 

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Oddly enough, one of the good things going on in Mosul is organized crime. It's on the rise, and I for one see it as nor a bad thing.

The last time I was there, several local shops had been paying "insurance" money to a shady local group. Other less worldly shop owners were shut down by unfortunate accidents. Not theses guys...

Their response to my question of 'Why?" was simply "Why not?" You see they consider that it's truly bad for you to mess with organized criminals bent on ONLY MONEY. The Mobsters aren't telling the businesses what to sell or who to sell it to. They just want a portion of the proceeds, and in return will fight their battle for them. They don't care who gives them their money, so in this one instance, Muslim or Christian is all the sam. Sunni money looks like Shia or Kurd or Yezidi when they're all about the almighty Dinar. The mobs don't represent tribes or families, so in essence they're one of the first truly nationalistic organizations in Iraq!

 
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