Originally posted by: amao
Thank all of you for the kind replies! AMD vs. P4, I see a tie here. I think I should be more specific. The components I got now are: Ti4200 64M, Maxtor 80G 7200 RPM HD, 2x 256M PC2100 DDR memo with Samgsung chipset (which I want to oc to 2700).
I heard that AMD had a lot of compatible problems especially with Nvidia vcard, is it still the same?
Oakenfold and dajo, it seems that you two both are using Corsair CL2 memo, if I want to stick to my PNY CL3 memo, will that affect the ability to oc?
Could you guys give me a summary (list) of CPU (AMD or P4) that have good capability to oc? (I don't have any cooler for the time being.)
I know a lot discussions about this issue but just some many numbers out there and I lost.
What are the markings on your PNY DDR chips? If they are TCB3 then you may have gotten in on the PNY packaging mistake (they packaged Samsung PC2700 as PC2100). I don't know how high you can go with the TBC0 chips. You'll probably have problems above 150FSB, but you'll just have to try.
As far as overclocking goes the AMD XP1600+ AGOIA core (newegg) can usually hit 1.6GHz or more. I know from personally testing 10-12 XP2200+ processors that they are absolutely terrible overclockers.
For P4s I don't really know. My P4 2.0B is doing 2.8GHz solid with just a 0.025 vcore bump and my CPU temp is 32C idle. I believe that the 1.6A ususally does 2.2 or more, but I'm not sure if that is the correct chip. One of those 1.6-1.8 P4s is supposed to overclock to 2.2-2.4 pretty easily. Go to
overclockers.com and select "CPU Database" (near top) and look at the various user submissions regarding both Intel and AMD chips.
It's a tough decision to make. I was a die hard AMD fan until I finally got tired of what seemed to be endless stability issues with XPs. Sure, you'll hear "rock solid here" from many users, and many of my systems were rock solid, but I was building about 2-5 systems a month and had what I consider to be a relatively high rate of "weird" behavior with XP2200 chips as well as what seemed to be almost endless stability issues with the various AMD platforms. I believe that the Intel platforms (boards) are just more stable. I love my P4S533.
There is also the new chipset coming to consider. Granite Bay will support Dual Channel DDR which must be run in pairs. I really don't know anything more about it, but it seems to be the next big leap in throughput/performance. Will AMD come through with the equivalent? Probably so, and they may already have something in the works to compete (maybe it is public now - I'm not a super techie, just a systems builder and enthusiast).
Anyway, I'm certainly not bashing AMD because I think they are great and I have certainly given them a lot of money over the years, but if Granite Bay takes hold I believe that all you would need is a new board (if you went Intel). I may be wrong about this so you pundits jump right in and correct me if that is the case.
I really think that AMD is in trouble now. They did well with the value chips (K6 and K6-III), and the Athlon Slot-A took the lead, but ever since then they have been having tremendous financial difficulties and the CPU/chipsets look to me, non-ultra techie that I am, to be stacking up in Intel's favor in a big way. I would not at all be surprised to see AMD fold in 2003 or 2004.
Anyway, I'm not trying to start an AMD/Intel war here and 5 out of the 6 systems I have in my home are AMD platforms, but after building the P4 2.0B with the Asus board I really do not plan to put any more money into AMD stuff and will be migrating my systems to Intel platforms over the next two years.
Just my two cents based on my experiences...
If you would like some additional help, throw me an email.
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