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Ben90

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I would grab powerstrip and mess with the timings in real time until its fixed. Then create a custom resolution using those settings with the Nvidia control panel or continue using power strip.
 

Zap

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I think part of the problem may be that many HDTVs by default scale ALL inputs, including HDMI (but usually excluding VGA - go figure).
 

NoStateofMind

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I think part of the problem may be that many HDTVs by default scale ALL inputs, including HDMI (but usually excluding VGA - go figure).

You may be right but I couldn't find one setting to change. The only options were 16:9 or 4:3 and everything else was grey'd out. After countless hours troubleshooting I've given up. It's more convenient to just buy a PC monitor. Which I've just done. Plugged the HDMI cable straight into my new 23" HP (meh its ok) and it auto-adjusted perfectly.

I want to thank everyone for their help but I would also like to say nVidia should have taken care of this years ago.


HAPPY NEW YEAR!
 
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Throckmorton

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Try setting the driver to report mode DESKTOP PROGRAMS to the monitor.

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Puppies04

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Why did you get that video card? Its just a failed 570.

Unles you buy the best components I can pretty much guarantee your RAM is just failed more expensive RAM and your CPU is just a failed version of the next chip up in the family. This sort of scaremongering helps nobody and I know you probably said it in jest but not everybody gets the joke which in my mind stops it being funny.
 

tommo123

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I think part of the problem may be that many HDTVs by default scale ALL inputs, including HDMI (but usually excluding VGA - go figure).

i had this with my sammy plasma. had to set scaling to 100% or 1-2-1 or some such. in my case though, the whole image was zoomed in a tad and i had no start menu etc. why this is done by defaults since anything hooked up via hdmi generally needs to have the whole image seen is beyond me
 

NoStateofMind

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Try setting the driver to report mode DESKTOP PROGRAMS to the monitor.

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That is a good suggestion and I forgot to add that to my troubleshooting process. In other words I already tried that :(

But thank you anyways. If anything this thread may help someone out there in worldnet land that cannot just go buy a monitor to fix.
 

taltamir

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I think part of the problem may be that many HDTVs by default scale ALL inputs, including HDMI (but usually excluding VGA - go figure).

Agreed, the problem is the TV not the video card or drivers, and you will see problem with both AMD and nVidia.
If you don't specifically research and buy a TV that works properly then you are going to have your work cut out for your.

The following is great advice

This is your TV blurring things I think . Couple things to try:

-make sure the HDMI input you are using supports PC input. On many TVs some ports do not. HDMI 1 is almost always safe but check your manual.
-turn off all bullshit features such as dynamic contrast, color enhances, motion enhance 120hz stuff, and also turn all sharpening off completely. These can really affect text quality
-make sure no scaling or overscan is being done. Most TVs have a setting that lets you disable it completely. This will be in the same menu as aspect ratio and stretch options
-some TVs require that you name the input you are using to "PC" in order for it to operate like a monitor
- some TVs need a DVI to HDMI cable instead of a HDMI to HDMI cable to work properly in PC mode. I would not recommend using analogue VGA

It's also worth noting that almost all HDTVs do not support 4:4:4 chroma sub sampling which makes certain colors of text blurry or unreadable against certain backgrounds. Red is usually the worst.

I also found that on some TVs you can get around all problems by using component out (NOT composite!) and then tweaking the resolution (nvidia has a tool for that), a lot of 720p or 1080p TVs are actually NOT really 720p or 1080p. They will be a little lower and just "round up" on marketing info which is a problem. This is particularly problematic if you try playing a game through them since games don't often support custom resolutions.
 

Obsoleet

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I've never seen this issue with my 5870 from day 1 on ALL whql driver releases. If you try another card, I'd just move to a Radeon and be done with that nonsense.
 

nervx

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That is a good suggestion and I forgot to add that to my troubleshooting process. In other words I already tried that :(

But thank you anyways. If anything this thread may help someone out there in worldnet land that cannot just go buy a monitor to fix.

dude do what i told you to do in my post on the first page and it will solve the problem. the resolutions nvidia put in the drivers are busted all you have to do is re-add the manually with the correct numbers.
 
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VirtualLarry

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I've never seen this issue with my 5870 from day 1 on ALL whql driver releases. If you try another card, I'd just move to a Radeon and be done with that nonsense.

I've seen it with ATI. I hooked up an AMD PC with a 760G-chipset mobo using the onboard video, connected via the DVI output, through an ATI DVI-to-HDMI, into an HDMI port on my Hannspree 25" LCD PC monitor.

It underscanned badly, using the Win7 out-of-the-box MS drivers for the ATI chipset.

I had to download and install the Cats (11.10 maybe 11.11), and then once installed, change the overscan slider to 0%.

Note that this was a purpose-build PC monitor, NOT some LCD HDTV. Thus there would be no reason for under/overscan. But ATI's BIOS and default Win7 driver did that.
 

NoStateofMind

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This is your TV blurring things I think . Couple things to try:

-make sure the HDMI input you are using supports PC input. On many TVs some ports do not. HDMI 1 is almost always safe but check your manual.
-turn off all bullshit features such as dynamic contrast, color enhances, motion enhance 120hz stuff, and also turn all sharpening off completely. These can really affect text quality
-make sure no scaling or overscan is being done. Most TVs have a setting that lets you disable it completely. This will be in the same menu as aspect ratio and stretch options
-some TVs require that you name the input you are using to "PC" in order for it to operate like a monitor
- some TVs need a DVI to HDMI cable instead of a HDMI to HDMI cable to work properly in PC mode. I would not recommend using analogue VGA

It's also worth noting that almost all HDTVs do not support 4:4:4 chroma sub sampling which makes certain colors of text blurry or unreadable against certain backgrounds. Red is usually the worst.

First let me say I am completely incorrect in saying this was nVidia's fault. It is no way theirs but entirely mine. Settings that I had thought were grey'd out before now suddenly show up. Adjusting my TV settings from 16:9 (you would think this would be right, but its not) to "Just Scan" and Voila! Now we're cooking with gas! Everything now looks absolutely crisp, bright and wonderful. I am in debt to those who contributed and am very thankful. :D