Wisconsin court upholds voter ID law

[Texashiker]

They did NOT ask me for an ID for myself or my mother.

Did the bank ask you for a social security number?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

/this.

I just hope the OP was just joking. It's not possible to be this effing stupid.

Have you been subjected to toothless hikers other gems and pearls of wisdom. This is actually a high water mark for this fucktard.

 

[Texashiker]

Fact remains that for the overwhelming number of people seeking employment a government issued photo ID is not an absolute requirement. There are other options in it's absence.

So tell me about your government issued social security card.

Is it required for US citizens to get a job.

Have you been subjected to toothless hikers other gems and pearls of wisdom. This is actually a high water mark for this fucktard.

Do you have anything to contribute?

 

[brycejones]

Do you have anything to contribute?

Do you?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So tell me about your government issued social security card.

Is it required for US citizens to get a job.




Do you have anything to contribute?

Irrelevent as we are talking about the ID acceptable to vote and that isn't part of the conversation.

You challenged someone's ability to get a job without ID. You've been shown that one can get a job while still not having one of the limited ID options eligible to vote.

Let me ask you this. Why should the identifying options acceptable get get a job, pay taxes, get medicare, get social security etc... not be enough to vote with?

 

[Texashiker]

Irrelevent as we are talking about the ID acceptable to vote and that isn't part of the conversation.

Do not crawfish.

Posters are claiming they can do everything in life without government id, which is bull crap.

Let me ask you this. Why should the identifying options acceptable get get a job, pay taxes, get medicare, get social security etc... not be enough to vote with?

What exactly are you talking about?

You have to present some kind of government id to do all of those.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Do not crawfish.

Posters are claiming they can do everything in life without government id, which is bull crap.




What exactly are you talking about?

You have to present some kind of government id to do all of those.

I do not need a government issued photo ID to do any of those things. I can have sufficient identification to do all of those but still not qualify to vote due to the ID laws passed.

The fact that you left the word photo out of your reply tells me you already understood that.

So I ask again. If my identification is acceptable enough to get a job and pay taxes should it not be enough to lobby my government for representation? If my ID that I do have is enough for Medicare social security etc... Should it not be enough to vote for things that can impact those programs?

Bet you won't answer that question.

 

[Texashiker]

I do not need a government issued photo ID to do any of those things. I can have sufficient identification to do all of those but still not qualify to vote due to the ID laws passed.

You are throwing the words "photo id" in there.

But yes, you are required to have some kind of id to preform all of those actions.

You have to have a form of tax id to have a job.

You have to have some kind of citizenship or proof of you are able to work in this nation.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You are throwing the words "photo id" in there.

But yes, you are required to have some kind of id to preform all of those actions.

You have to have a form of tax id to have a job.

You have to have some kind of citizenship or proof of you are able to work in this nation.

You equated voting to getting a job and the need for ID. and I'll ask again. If the identification I have is enough to get a job and pay taxes should it also be enough to vote for representation?

 

[Texashiker]

You equated voting to getting a job and the need for ID. and I'll ask again. If the identification I have is enough to get a job and pay taxes should it also be enough to vote for representation?

Yes, show them your state issued id and SS card when you vote.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yes, show them your state issued id and SS card when you vote.

And another dodge. I can show a student ID card and SSN to get a job. Shouldn't I also be able to vote the representation of my tax dollars with that?

 

[Texashiker]

And another dodge. I can show a student ID card and SSN to get a job. Shouldn't I also be able to vote the representation of my tax dollars with that?

No.

School does not have authority over the state.

 

[DrPizza]

One of the big differences between democrats and republicans, and liberals and conservatives? Republicans and conservatives follow the law. We see following the law as our civic duty.

Interesting. I suppose that explains why Republican states have more a higher percentage of people in jail than in Democratic states? You guys follow the laws more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate

A month after my wife and I moved I was down at the DMV office to get my drivers license updated. I was the third person in line that cold October morning.

It took you a month? You waited until the last minute? We moved into our house on a weekend, and changed our address by Monday.

 

[DrPizza]

No.

School does not have authority over the state.

If the school ID and Social Security card are good enough for getting a job - which isn't a Constitutionally guaranteed right, then why aren't they good enough for something that IS a Constitutionally protected right?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Interesting. I suppose that explains why Republican states have more a higher percentage of people in jail than in Democratic states? You guys follow the laws more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate


It took you a month? You waited until the last minute? We moved into our house on a weekend, and changed our address by Monday.

And I thought the supreme court TH thread would be a contender for self-ownage of the year


bwaaahahahahahaha.
Keep on blathering toothless. The more you type, the deeper you dig.

 

[xBiffx]

If the school ID and Social Security card are good enough for getting a job - which isn't a Constitutionally guaranteed right, then why aren't they good enough for something that IS a Constitutionally protected right?

Hold on, when did voting become a Constitutionally protected right? Nowhere is voting defined as a right in the Constitution.

There have definitely been some amendments stating how it can't be denied based on certain qualifications but its not even close to a right. This is perhaps a nuanced difference to say, the right to bear arms, but there is still a clear difference.

 

[Texashiker]

It took you a month? You waited until the last minute? We moved into our house on a weekend, and changed our address by Monday.

You were at the DMV office on monday morning?

Interesting. I suppose that explains why Republican states have more a higher percentage of people in jail than in Democratic states? You guys follow the laws more?

How do those states rank in reading, writing, math?

How do they rank in income equality?

I would imagine incarceration rates go hand in hand with education and income mobility.

If the school ID and Social Security card are good enough for getting a job - which isn't a Constitutionally guaranteed right, then why aren't they good enough for something that IS a Constitutionally protected right?

Isn't getting a job a common law right? That people have had the right to work since the dawn of humanity?

Is the school id a state issued id? I think not. You are not a state employee are you? No, you are an employee of the local school district.

Why should an id given by a local organization be recognized on a state level? It shouldn't.

The law is if you want to vote, get a state id. Is it "really" that difficult to get an id?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No.

School does not have authority over the state.

Neither does the DMV. Or maybe you meant the state doesn't have authority over the school, in which case if I use a state school student ID, does your answer change?

 

[ivwshane]

This is how dumb Texashiker is: his tiny brain is unable to think of a situation in which someone doesn't drive, doesn't have a job, and doesn't need an ID to collect social security.

 

[irishScott]

solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

but I don't see how requiring an ID poses an undue hardship on anyone, especially when it's already required to buy alcohol, cigarettes, get on a plane, visit some government tourist sites, etc.

This.

 

[Texashiker]

Neither does the DMV. Or maybe you meant the state doesn't have authority over the school, in which case if I use a state school student ID, does your answer change?

Isn't the DMV a state agency?

It is not like the DMV is run on a local level is it? The local people do not election directors of their DMV district, do they?

This is how dumb Texashiker is: his tiny brain is unable to think of a situation in which someone doesn't drive, doesn't have a job, and doesn't need an ID to collect social security.

Then you should have no interest in voting.

No job, you pay no income taxes.

No drive, you pay no fuel taxes, no sales taxes on car / truck parts, no fees on inspection or registration.

Unless you are willing to contribute something to society please do not vote.

If you are not willing to spend a few minutes of your time to get an id, then you are not willing to spend a few minutes voting.

 

[Bowfinger]

Did the bank ask you for a social security number?

My mother's, but no, they already had it. "Existing relationship."

 

[kage69]

A Republican run court is not a court, it's a joke.

So true it hurts

 

[Bowfinger]

Do not crawfish.

Posters are claiming they can do everything in life without government id, which is bull crap. ...

... If you are not willing to spend a few minutes of your time to get an id, then you are not willing to spend a few minutes voting.

You are either willfully ignorant or willfully dishonest, your choice. While the specific requirements vary from state to state, one of the common themes of these voter suppression laws is they require a current, state-issued, photo ID. Note all three requirements: current, state-issued, and photo. A Social Security card isn't acceptable because it has no photo and no expiration date to show currency. A student ID doesn't count because it's not state-issued. An expired drivers license doesn't qualify because even though the name and picture are you, you no longer drive and let your license expire. Etc.

Those restrictions are the problem with these laws. They are designed to disenfranchise certain demographics: elderly, students, minorities, and poor people who are less likely to have IDs meeting all three requirements. Your diversion about any "government id (sic)" is a straw man, irrelevant to the actual debate.

Similarly, your crack about spending a few minutes of one's time is also a straw man. For a great many people, obtaining the required current, state-issued photo ID is a material hurdle. Required documents can be relatively expensive and may not be readily available. Getting to a DMV may be challenging for someone without a car, especially since so many states are consolidating DMVs into fewer, more distant locations. The bottom line is you are not the center of the universe. Just because it's just a few minutes of your time to get an ID doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

Finally, there's the very basic issue that these suppression laws are worse than the virtually non-existent problem they pretend to fix. They cost millions of dollars to implement and do orders of magnitude more harm -- disenfranchising legitimate voters -- than they do good -- preventing the scant instances of in-person voter impersonation. It's completely transparent that the self-proclaimed party of business expertise consistently misses this basic cost/benefit comparison.

 

[Jhhnn]

Laziness is a liberal trait.

Intellectual laziness is a Conservative trait. Don't think, just rely on your gut, your emotions.

People who know how to push your buttons do so at will, get you to believe instead of thinking. Makes you easy pickin's for the right wing noise machine.