Wisconsin court upholds voter ID law

[Atomic Playboy]

I hope the citizens of Wisconsin can look back on this in 10 years or so and see the millions they've paid in "free government IDs" (so as not to be considered a poll tax) and the number of fraudulent votes they've prevented and view it as successful. I have my doubts, but maybe it ends up being worth it. But if the voters see that they're paying $1 million or so per bad vote stopped? Maybe they decide, fuck it, a handful of bad votes are worth some better teachers or more police or improved roads. Time will tell.

 

[Linux23]

You are one stupid mother fucker! I can only hope that one day when you go to vote that you have a ton of hurdles to overcome and it's because of democrat policies and when you come complaining we will all laugh at you and call you lazy and not worthy of being allowed to vote.


Your cluelessness on just about every subject you talk about with every opinion you have being based solely on your own personal experience. You seem completely incapable of seeing any perspective of an issue but your own.

/this.

I just hope the OP was just joking. It's not possible to be this effing stupid.

 

[Texashiker]

So you're done complaining about child support, abortion and gay marriage then, yes?

For now.

/this.

I just hope the OP was just joking. It's not possible to be this effing stupid.

Do you have a job? Did you have to provide id to get said job?

An id is part of everyday life.

If you want certain things in life you have to follow the rules. The government says you need an id to vote.

 

[fskimospy]

I hope the citizens of Wisconsin can look back on this in 10 years or so and see the millions they've paid in "free government IDs" (so as not to be considered a poll tax) and the number of fraudulent votes they've prevented and view it as successful. I have my doubts, but maybe it ends up being worth it. But if the voters see that they're paying $1 million or so per bad vote stopped? Maybe they decide, fuck it, a handful of bad votes are worth some better teachers or more police or improved roads. Time will tell.

And these same people will complain about the government spending wastefully while simultaneously demanding the government blow money on an irrational attempt to solve a nonexistent problem.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

but I don't see how requiring an ID poses an undue hardship on anyone, especially when it's already required to buy alcohol, cigarettes, get on a plane, visit some government tourist sites, etc.

ahh this tired comparison again. You don't have to show ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes. I'm willing to bet that over 90% of the people buying those things do so without ever having to show ID.

Not everyone travels. Or goes to tourist sites.

Before you say it bank accounts opened decades ago didn't need photo ID, I can get a job without having photo ID. Most other things that ask for photo ID have many alternate options available in the absence of ID. I'm talking Government run things like medicare, social security etc...

If I were 90 years old I might have literally no need for a photo ID of any kind. Hell I might not even have a hospital registered birth meaning I can't get a birth certificate. I might have to jump through a ton of hoops to get the ID I suddenly need in order to then go get the photo ID I'm being told I now have to have to do something I've done for the last 70 years.

 

[michal1980]

And these same people will complain about the government spending wastefully while simultaneously demanding the government blow money on an irrational attempt to solve a nonexistent problem.

you on the left should be applauding this government spending. Outside of defensive you have no problems with any government spending, its never enough.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

For now.




Do you have a job? Did you have to provide id to get said job?

An id is part of everyday life.

If you want certain things in life you have to follow the rules. The government says you need an id to vote.

Knew someone would throw out that argument.

Just so you know. Bullshit. You do not have to have a government issued photo ID to get a job.

 

[xBiffx]

The government says you need an id to vote.

When I lived in the cesspool known as Illinois, it also said I needed it to execute my 2nd amendment rights. Guess I should rage about democrat policy depriving me.

 

[xBiffx]

Knew someone would throw out that argument.

Just so you know. Bullshit. You do not have to have a government issued photo ID to get a job.

Not a photo one, that's correct.

Edit: actually, I-9 requirements seem to be a photo ID of some sort.

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf

 

[Texashiker]

Knew someone would throw out that argument.

Just so you know. Bullshit. You do not have to have a government issued photo ID to get a job.

Really?

Guess when an employer ask me for id I will just sue them? That is from the liberal playbook right?

Yesterday I called about a possible job opening. Company rep asked me to fax over 3 forms of government id.

 

[Absolution75]

I put these kinds of laws in the same category: laws that infringe upon rights.

I don't believe in getting permits for guns, free speech, or voting.

Readily available guns have consequences, perhaps a slightly higher murder/suicide rate (maybe not at the same time, but more people die from guns - that doesn't mean these murders/deaths would have been prevented otherwise), but this is something I think society should bare since guns provide a way for anyone to defend themselves. The benefits of readily available guns far outweigh the costs.

Voter id laws are the same thing. The cost is that there is a tiny number of cases of voter fraud. The benefits of the lack of a voter id law is that anyone is able to go to the polls regardless of economic issues. This gives a more complete picture of what society wants. The benefits of not having voter id laws far outweigh the costs.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Really?

Guess when an employer ask me for id I will just sue them? That is from the liberal playbook right?

Yesterday I called about a possible job opening. Company rep asked me to fax over 3 forms of government id.

Did you ask them what options were available to you in the absence of those things? Maybe you should review what is required for the completion of an I9. Maybe you are talking about a circumstance that isn't representative of the majority of job seekers.

Fact remains that for the overwhelming number of people seeking employment a government issued photo ID is not an absolute requirement. There are other options in it's absence.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Not a photo one, that's correct.

Edit: actually, I-9 requirements seem to be a photo ID of some sort.

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf

Yup. You can supplement with even a student ID (which, by the way, voter ID laws have cut out entirely) and some other form of ID. You don't have to have a government issued photo ID.

This is my issue with the laws that have been sought. They are severely limiting where just about any other circumstance that calls for photo ID has alternative options.

 

[xBiffx]

Yup. You can supplement with even a student ID (which, by the way, voter ID laws have cut out entirely) and some other form of ID.

But not only a student ID.

 

[bshole]

When I lived in the cesspool known as Illinois, it also said I needed it to execute my 2nd amendment rights. Guess I should rage about democrat policy depriving me.

Wait a sec there pardner, you said you were from Nevada but living in Iowa. Now you are from Illinois?

All Wiscosinites know that Illinois is a true cesspool. The FIBs own half of our state and treat us like the help in our own fucking state. To top it all off they send convoys of trucks with their garbage to dispose of in our state.

About the ID law.... meh.... I don't vote so I could really give a fuck.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

But not only a student ID.

You replied way too quick! Was editing to include just that

 

[xBiffx]

Wait a sec there pardner, you said you were from Nevada but living in Iowa. Now you are from Illinois?

All Wiscosinites know that Illinois is a true cesspool. The FIBs own half of our state and treat us like the help in our own fucking state. To top it all off they send convoys of trucks with their garbage to dispose of in our state.

About the ID law.... meh.... I don't vote so I could really give a fuck.

You do realize that people move don't you?

I am from Nevada. I have lived in five states. Shocking, plain shocking!!!!!

 

[xBiffx]

You replied way too quick! Was editing to include just that

Saved you the edit.

Also, the student ID has to have a photograph anyways.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Now tell if this is true, the WI issued photo ID is only good for two years? If so that is a lot of bull, why not a life time card? My drivers gets renewed in eight year periods.

 

[xBiffx]

Now tell if this is true, the WI issued photo ID is only good for two years? If so that is a lot of bull, why not a life time card? My drivers gets renewed in eight year periods.

I'd agree it should be similar to the driver's licence. The only thing is that its free ID so 2 years shouldn't be a burden unlike the driver's licence you have to pay for. But a lifetime ID? Think about that one again.

 

[bshole]

I'd agree it should be similar to the driver's licence. The only thing is that its free ID so 2 years shouldn't be a burden unlike the driver's licence you have to pay for. But a lifetime ID? Think about that one again.

I wish they would just go ahead and make our dna our id. We have the technology to do it so we should just go ahead and do it. Everything would be so much simpler, identity fraud would cease to exist and this issue would cease be of concern to anybody.

 

[glenn1]

All Republican panel, going to be appealed.

On what grounds? SCOTUS has already allowed Voter ID laws in Indiana. Unless this law is somehow significantly different the appeal will be tossed on stari decisis grounds.

It seems more like conservatives are so terrified of losing elections that they concoct irrational laws to try and make sure only the "right" people vote. It's funny that the guy who whines about rights for everyone in other threads simply cannot wait to restrict the right of others to vote.

I guess intellectual consistency and rational thinking are liberal traits.

Lightly restrictive Voter ID should be an element of an entire suite of enhancements to voting laws, including same-day registration, improved security of absentee voting, standardized rules for early voting, and others. Making voting secure is as important as making it easy - if a bank allowed someone without an ID to make a withdrawal from your account you'd be pissed, and so rightfully should you be if someone without ID was allowed to vote under your name.

 

[theeedude]

On what grounds? SCOTUS has already allowed Voter ID laws in Indiana. Unless this law is somehow significantly different the appeal will be tossed on stari decisis grounds.



Lightly restrictive Voter ID should be an element of an entire suite of enhancements to voting laws, including same-day registration, improved security of absentee voting, standardized rules for early voting, and others. Making voting secure is as important as making it easy - if a bank allowed someone without an ID to make a withdrawal from your account you'd be pissed, and so rightfully should you be if someone without ID was allowed to vote under your name.

Well, there must be a lot of pissed off people then, since someone is voting under their names. But where are they?
There are actual people who were denied their vote, which is SACRED in a democracy, because of voter ID restrictions.

 

[Bowfinger]

ahh this tired comparison again. You don't have to show ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes. I'm willing to bet that over 90% of the people buying those things do so without ever having to show ID.

Not everyone travels. Or goes to tourist sites.

Before you say it bank accounts opened decades ago didn't need photo ID, I can get a job without having photo ID. Most other things that ask for photo ID have many alternate options available in the absence of ID. I'm talking Government run things like medicare, social security etc...

If I were 90 years old I might have literally no need for a photo ID of any kind. Hell I might not even have a hospital registered birth meaning I can't get a birth certificate. I might have to jump through a ton of hoops to get the ID I suddenly need in order to then go get the photo ID I'm being told I now have to have to do something I've done for the last 70 years.

Just one tidbit to add: you are not even legally required to have an ID to open a new bank account (let alone the current, state-issued photo ID required by most of these voter suppression laws). Each bank sets its own policy based on a set of government guidelines. While an official ID is the most common path banks choose, they can offer alternatives, including an existing relationship with a known customer. I opened a new account for my mother at my local bank a few months ago. They did NOT ask me for an ID for myself or my mother.

It's one more example of the dishonesty and ignorance behind the voter suppression talking points.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans don't get that their dishonesty is transparent, it's turning people off. Right now a lot of the people impacted are young people, who change apartments and don't always have up to date address on their ID. These people, if refused their right to vote by Republican voter ID laws, will remember it, and tell their friends, and tell everyone on their Twitter, and their Facebook, and it will cost GOP down the road. Once people's voting patterns are set at a young age, they are much more difficult to change later. The times when you can do these underhanded things and not pay a price are over.