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wireless through several buildings?

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What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Wireless through several buildings isn't real descriptive on what you are trying to do?
 
How big are the buildings?
How far apart are they?
Do you need to have connectivity between the buildings?
What do you have now?
What is the budget?
Do you want to do it cheap, or do you want to do it right?
 
It's a residential apt building. I might be moving in. The whole complex is FIOS-ready (pre-wired?). I therefore could probably get my own FIOS service. (Am currently a FIOS customer where I am now living.)

However, to save money, a relative lives a few buildings away in the complex, and already has FIOS. Was going to try to run a wireless signal between the two buildings. Do not have LOS, and there's a building in-between the two buildings. However, the relative's FIOS connection is right near the facing window, so that helps.

I can keep a connection to my Win7 Netbook, as I approach the front door of the building I might be moving to, with my relative's Rev. I FIOS router in the window.

So I was figuring something just a little higher-power would do it.

Would one of these 1W adapters be able to be powered by a normal PC's USB port, or would I need to buy a USB 3.0 hub, with a 1A/2A "charging port" on it? I saw one at Newegg through a marketplace seller for $35 the other day.

Edit: Yes, I definitely want to do this on the cheap. Might deploy one or two of my unused E-350 rigs for the purpose of running one of these adapters in "Soft AP mode", and then bridging to the ethernet, which would be wired to the FIOS router.

Edit: Would it be too hard running a couple of mini-ITX PCs at each end of the link, to run Linux, and bridge the two LANs together somehow?

Edit: I guess I could ask someone in the intermediate building, to host a WDS repeater, in exchange for free internet. I would prefer to try to set up a direct link though.
 
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How far apart are the buildings, and can you get direct line of site between the two that you want to connect?

If it is more than a few hundred feet you aren't to get a usable signal (and probably no signal at all) without clear line of site and directional antennas. Even if the buildings have line of site, if you don't have line of site between the apartments (i.e. you can see each other standing at the apartment windows) then it still isn't going to work.
 
Fardringle said:
How far apart are the buildings, and can you get direct line of site between the two that you want to connect?

If it is more than a few hundred feet you aren't to get a usable signal (and probably no signal at all) without clear line of site and directional antennas. Even if the buildings have line of site, if you don't have line of site between the apartments (i.e. you can see each other standing at the apartment windows) then it still isn't going to work.
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No LOS. It's probably 200-250 feet away. I figured with a pair of 1W adapters, I could "punch through" the obstructions.
 
You could do this with better antennas and non-consumer gear, but I don't think this sub-forum is about violating TOS's.
 
alkemyst said:
You could do this with better antennas and non-consumer gear, but I don't think this sub-forum is about violating TOS's.
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Hook up a Seagate GoFlex Home to your FIOS residential network (or a PogoPlug), and you're violating the TOS too.

Edit: So is letting your guests use your WiFi while they're at your place. Since technically you're not supposed to share your connection with anyone.

Yet, this forum allows us to answer questions about wifi guests.
 
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VirtualLarry said:
Hook up a Seagate GoFlex Home to your FIOS residential network (or a PogoPlug), and you're violating the TOS too.

Edit: So is letting your guests use your WiFi while they're at your place. Since technically you're not supposed to share your connection with anyone.

Yet, this forum allows us to answer questions about wifi guests.
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Comments like this are not tolerated here. What you're wanting to do and asking people for help with is NOT the same as asking for help with guest wifi. How about you go and buy your internet connection.
 
And just to clarify but hooking up a NAS to your network is in no way violating the TOS. What you're trying to do is a blatant violation of TOS.
 
To clarify what kevnich2 is saying: sharing a single residential connection inside a single residence is within the TOS of any ISP, except possibly cell providers with a data plan that doesn't allow tethering. Adding devices such as a NAS drive does not violate any TOS that I have ever seen or heard of.

You are trying to share a single residential connection with another residence, which is not permitted by most ISPs. Whether you want to obey the ISP (and forum) rules or not, the fact is that you're not going to accomplish what you are trying with consumer grade wireless equipment. The cost to do it properly in the situation you have described is probably more than the cost to just pay for your own connection from the FIOS provider.
 
Fardringle said:
To clarify what kevnich2 is saying: sharing a single residential connection inside a single residence is within the TOS of any ISP, except possibly cell providers with a data plan that doesn't allow tethering. Adding devices such as a NAS drive does not violate any TOS that I have ever seen or heard of.
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Sure it does. "Cloud" NAS like I mentioned in my example are accessible from the outside. Thus you are running a "server". Thus violating the TOS.

Btw, define "inside a single residence". Does that mean, that I can "borrow" my relative's wifi, when I'm physically within the residence, but should I want to go outside on the porch and enjoy some sun and some wifi, that I'm suddenly in violation of the TOS. How far down the lawn can I go, without violating the TOS? What if my laptop still just happens to be associated with my relative's wifi, when I walk into my new apt?

Fardringle said:
You are trying to share a single residential connection with another residence, which is not permitted by most ISPs. Whether you want to obey the ISP (and forum) rules or not, the fact is that you're not going to accomplish what you are trying with consumer grade wireless equipment. The cost to do it properly in the situation you have described is probably more than the cost to just pay for your own connection from the FIOS provider.
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Well, let's change the focus a little bit. Let's assume that I will move my FIOS service with me when I move, and that my intent to link-up my LAN with my relatives is for back-up purposes (say with a NAS). Everybody happy now?

I guess, if the wifi adapter I picked out says it can do 2000m, and I'm only 200m away, but with some walls in-between, why wouldn't that be a workable solution?

Does anyone know how to set up a USB wifi in Linux, as an AP, complete with WPA2-PSk, and use a wireless link to bridge LANs?

Edit: should I be bridging or routing here?

Edit: Found a guide, a little bit outdated. 802.11b and WEP.
http://www.enterprisenetworkingplan...Build-A-LinuxBased--Wireless-Access-Point.htm

Edit: This one is newer, WPA2.
https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/442417-create-a-secure-linux-based-wireless-access-point
 
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VirtualLarry said:
I guess, if the wifi adapter I picked out says it can do 2000m, and I'm only 200m away, but with some walls in-between, why wouldn't that be a workable solution?

Does anyone know how to set up a USB wifi in Linux, as an AP, complete with WPA2-PSk, and use a wireless link to bridge LANs?
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Because it needs direct line of sight to get anywhere remotely close to decent range, and the "claimed" range, even on really good equipment, is frequently anywhere from double to 5+ times the actual range even in perfect conditions (which you don't have).

The ability to set a WIFI adapter as an AP depends on the adapter (and its software).


The other parts of your post are just trying to twist what I said to meet your definition. Of course the porch (and any part of the private yard) are part of the single residence. In an apartment, that would be the apartment and your deck area if you have one. Using someone else's residential internet connection that you are not paying for as a "backup" is still violating the TOS because you're still sharing a single residential connection with another residence. Paying for two different connections at your residence and using one for a backup is different because you are paying for both to be used at that one residence.

If you really want to knowingly violate the ISP rules, that's up to you, but we won't help you do it.
 
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VirtualLarry said:
Sure it does. "Cloud" NAS like I mentioned in my example are accessible from the outside. Thus you are running a "server". Thus violating the TOS.

Btw, define "inside a single residence". Does that mean, that I can "borrow" my relative's wifi, when I'm physically within the residence, but should I want to go outside on the porch and enjoy some sun and some wifi, that I'm suddenly in violation of the TOS. How far down the lawn can I go, without violating the TOS? What if my laptop still just happens to be associated with my relative's wifi, when I walk into my new apt?



Well, let's change the focus a little bit. Let's assume that I will move my FIOS service with me when I move, and that my intent to link-up my LAN with my relatives is for back-up purposes (say with a NAS). Everybody happy now?

I guess, if the wifi adapter I picked out says it can do 2000m, and I'm only 200m away, but with some walls in-between, why wouldn't that be a workable solution?

Does anyone know how to set up a USB wifi in Linux, as an AP, complete with WPA2-PSk, and use a wireless link to bridge LANs?

Edit: should I be bridging or routing here?

Edit: Found a guide, a little bit outdated. 802.11b and WEP.
http://www.enterprisenetworkingplan...Build-A-LinuxBased--Wireless-Access-Point.htm

Edit: This one is newer, WPA2.
https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/442417-create-a-secure-linux-based-wireless-access-point
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All your doing is twisting everything around to fit what you want. I doubt at this point you'll get any help in here for anything. As far as what violates TOS - since I've worked for two ISP's, I have a pretty good definition of what violates their TOS and what doesn't. But if you think it does, more power to you.
 
kevnich2 said:
And just to clarify but hooking up a NAS to your network is in no way violating the TOS. What you're trying to do is a blatant violation of TOS.
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kevnich2 said:
All your doing is twisting everything around to fit what you want. I doubt at this point you'll get any help in here for anything. As far as what violates TOS - since I've worked for two ISP's, I have a pretty good definition of what violates their TOS and what doesn't. But if you think it does, more power to you.
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I know how to read. Yes, sharing a residential internet connection between two residences is a violation of TOS. But SO IS putting a cloud NAS on your residential connection. Generally, putting a cloud NAS (or running any other type of service) requires a business connection.

Now, is an ISP going to care about one more than the other? Maybe. But they are both EQUAL violations of TOS. Yet, I don't hear you frothing at the mouth against NAS users. Even though they are costing ISPs money too.

I'll admit it, I own a Seagate GoFlex Home NAS. And I have it connected to my residential (not business) internet connection. The horrors! TOS violation!

Edit: Anyways, this is going in an entirely unproductive direction.

Edit: And for the record, I'm only a single person, in a single apt, and I'm already paying for TWO internet connections. So I don't know why you feel you have to paint me as a leech.

But if I had my druthers, I would rather send a decent-sized donation to the starving children of Haiti, than filling the coffers of a predatory monopolist telco.

Edit: What about the XBox One, it's against the TOS to even share games that you purchased yourself on your account, with your own family members in your household.
If they try to play the game (thanks to Kinect being able to identify individuals (NSA loves this)), they get a time-limited demo instead, and are offered to also purchase the game.

Would you defend that practice as morally right, just because it is in a TOS written by a corporation?
 
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