wireless power is one step closer

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http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/wireless.html

Wireless energy could power consumer, industrial electronics
Dead cell phone inspired researcher's innovation

Davide Castelvecchi, American Institute of Physics
November 14, 2006

Recharging your laptop computer, your cell phone and a variety of other gadgets may one day be as convenient as surfing the web--wirelessly.

Marin Soljacic, an assistant professor in MIT's Department of Physics and Research Laboratory of Electronics, will describe his and his MIT colleagues' research on that wireless future on Tuesday, Nov. 14 at the American Institute of Physics Industrial Physics Forum in San Francisco.

Like many of us, Soljacic (pronounced Soul-ya-CHEECH) often forgets to recharge his cell phone, and when it is about to die it emits an unpleasant noise. "Needless to say, this always happens in the middle of the night," he said. "So, one night, at 3 a.m., it occurred to me: Wouldn't it be great if this thing charged itself?" He began to wonder if any of the physics principles he knew of could turn into new ways of transmitting energy.

After all, scientists and engineers have known for nearly two centuries that transferring electric power does not require wires to be in physical contact. Electric motors and power transformers contain coils that transmit energy to each other by the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction. A current running in an emitting coil induces another current in a receiving coil; the two coils are in close proximity, but they do not touch.

Later, scientists discovered electromagnetic radiation in the form of radio waves, and they showed that another form of it--light--is how we get energy from the sun. But transferring energy from one point to another through ordinary electromagnetic radiation is typically very inefficient: The waves tend to spread in all directions, so most of the energy is lost to the environment.

Soljacic realized that the close-range induction taking place inside a transformer--or something similar to it--could potentially transfer energy over longer distances, say, from one end of a room to the other. Instead of irradiating the environment with electromagnetic waves, a power transmitter would fill the space around it with a "non-radiative" electromagnetic field. Energy would only be picked up by gadgets specially designed to "resonate" with the field. Most of the energy not picked up by a receiver would be reabsorbed by the emitter.

In his talk, Soljacic will explain the physics of non-radiative energy transfer and the possible design of wireless-power systems.

While rooted in well-known laws of physics, non-radiative energy transfer is a novel application no one seems to have pursued before. "It certainly was not clear or obvious to us in the beginning how well it could actually work, given the constraints of available materials, extraneous environmental objects, and so on. It was even less clear to us which designs would work best," Soljacic said. He and his colleagues tackled the problem through theoretical calculations and computer simulations.

With the resulting designs, non-radiative wireless power would have limited range, and the range would be shorter for smaller-size receivers. But the team calculates that an object the size of a laptop could be recharged within a few meters of the power source. Placing one source in each room could provide coverage throughout your home.

Soljacic is looking forward to a future when laptops and cell phones might never need any wires at all. Wireless, he said, could also power other household gadgets that are now becoming more common. "At home, I have one of those robotic vacuum cleaners that cleans your floors automatically," he said. "It does a fantastic job but, after it cleans one or two rooms, the battery dies." In addition to consumer electronics, wireless energy could find industrial applications powering, for example, freely roaming robots within a factory pavilion.

Soljacic's colleagues in the work are Aristeidis Karalis, a graduate student in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, and John Joannopoulos, the Francis Wright Davis Professor of Physics. Both are also affiliated with the Research Laboratory of Electronics. The work is funded in part by the Materials Research Science and Engineering Center program of the National Science Foundation.
 

Hyperlite

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wow. just wow. that is some amazing research. It doesn't seem physically possible, but they know best. I dream of finishing school and working on a project like this.
 

Lorax

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i'll believe it when i see it.

also, the little story about how he thought of the idea (he began to wonder if any of the physics principles he knew of could turn into new ways of transmitting energy) is kind of funny... they present it like no one else has ever had the same thought.
 

Rastus

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Eventually, our devices will eventually require so little power they could be recharged safely by electromagnetism.
 

Pastore

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Originally posted by: Hyperlite
wow. just wow. that is some amazing research. It doesn't seem physically possible, but they know best. I dream of finishing school and working on a project like this.

What seems physically impossible about it? On your planet does lightning travel through wires?
 
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Originally posted by: Rastus
Eventually, our devices will eventually require so little power they could be recharged safely by electromagnetism.


so people with really lame personalities can't power devices?
 

brandonbull

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Tesla starting doing this about a 100 years ago but JP Morgan pulled the money before Tesla could finish building his wireless energy source.

Among the Wardenclyffe plant's purposes were global wireless telecommunications and broadcasting. It would have allowed secure multichannel transmission and reception of information, universal time synchronization, and a global location, ranging, and navigation system. The plant primary function was trans-Atlantic wireless telecommunications and 'radio' broadcasting.

The installation was also used by Tesla as a laboratory for designing a power distribution system that would allow electricity to be transmitted over great distances without wires

 
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I met some people last week who are using piezoelectrics to generate power and transmit signals from merely flexing a ceramic-fiber strip the size of a pencil.
 

Hyperlite

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Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Hyperlite
wow. just wow. that is some amazing research. It doesn't seem physically possible, but they know best. I dream of finishing school and working on a project like this.

What seems physically impossible about it? On your planet does lightning travel through wires?

well not the theory in itself, but the ability to do it without a massive field that effects everything it touches...

good morning to you too. ;)
 

Pastore

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Originally posted by: Hyperlite
Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Hyperlite
wow. just wow. that is some amazing research. It doesn't seem physically possible, but they know best. I dream of finishing school and working on a project like this.

What seems physically impossible about it? On your planet does lightning travel through wires?

well not the theory in itself, but the ability to do it without a massive field that effects everything it touches...

good morning to you too.

I'm just saying... Energy is floating wirelessly around us all the time. All we have to do is harness it. It'll definitely happen in our lifetime, unless you're 90 years old. :)
 

MaxDepth

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I studied his principles in college, fascinating stuff. It's amazing the fight between Edison and Tesla [direct current versus alternating current]. Their war is why we have the electric chair.

Originally posted by: brandonbull
Tesla starting doing this about a 100 years ago but JP Morgan pulled the money before Tesla could finish building his wireless energy source.

Among the Wardenclyffe plant's purposes were global wireless telecommunications and broadcasting. It would have allowed secure multichannel transmission and reception of information, universal time synchronization, and a global location, ranging, and navigation system. The plant primary function was trans-Atlantic wireless telecommunications and 'radio' broadcasting.

The installation was also used by Tesla as a laboratory for designing a power distribution system that would allow electricity to be transmitted over great distances without wires
 

Amused

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Cool. Now in addition to hacking their neighbor's internet the little thieves can start stealing their neighbor's electricity.
 

Hyperlite

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Originally posted by: Amused
Cool. Now in addition to hacking their neighbor's internet the little thieves can start stealing their neighbor's electricity.

:D
 

lokiju

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I've seen a perfect example of wireless power on my own just screwing around.

I had one of those electricity balls that you see at places like Radio Shack or Spencers and then held a small florescent bulb close to it, causing it to brightly light up while never even touching anything.

 

Hyperlite

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Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Hyperlite
Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Hyperlite
wow. just wow. that is some amazing research. It doesn't seem physically possible, but they know best. I dream of finishing school and working on a project like this.

What seems physically impossible about it? On your planet does lightning travel through wires?

well not the theory in itself, but the ability to do it without a massive field that effects everything it touches...

good morning to you too.

I'm just saying... Energy is floating wirelessly around us all the time. All we have to do is harness it. It'll definitely happen in our lifetime, unless you're 90 years old. :)

yeah i know, i guess i didn't think about it long enough, though being an EE i shouldn't have to. :roll:
 

ForumMaster

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this is quite and interesting idea. the problem would indeed stem from how to focus it.

What this reminded me of, is RFID tags. they don't have batteries inside but rather get their power from the electromagnetic field generated by the reciever. this could work. quite interesting.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Amused
Cool. Now in addition to hacking their neighbor's internet the little thieves can start stealing their neighbor's electricity.

Tesla didn't want to charge people for the power; he wanted to charge people for the devices.

 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: Amused
Cool. Now in addition to hacking their neighbor's internet the little thieves can start stealing their neighbor's electricity.

Tesla didn't want to charge people for the power; he wanted to charge people for the devices.

interesting idea. but it doesnt seem fair that both people getting charged the same when one is using twice the amount of power as the other
 

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Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Hyperlite
wow. just wow. that is some amazing research. It doesn't seem physically possible, but they know best. I dream of finishing school and working on a project like this.

What seems physically impossible about it? On your planet does lightning travel through wires?

no it doesn't, but what happens if you get put between the lightning and its path? ZZZZAP! Darwin FTL!

Transmitting it wireless it not the problem, doing it without Darwin involved is.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
this is quite and interesting idea. the problem would indeed stem from how to focus it.

What this reminded me of, is RFID tags. they don't have batteries inside but rather get their power from the electromagnetic field generated by the reciever. this could work. quite interesting.

Well, from the sounds of it, the "focusing" is done by the receiver, not the transmitter. The resonance frequencies has to be just right.

But I'd still be wary of being around it.
 

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Marin Soljacic, nicola tesla. For such a unknow country, croatia sure spits out some great people.
Yea, we discussed this in out electronics class. It seems we are so close to a breakthrough.
 

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Originally posted by: Lorax
i'll believe it when i see it.

also, the little story about how he thought of the idea (he began to wonder if any of the physics principles he knew of could turn into new ways of transmitting energy) is kind of funny... they present it like no one else has ever had the same thought.
....

This kind've thinking will get you nowhere.

Where do you think original ideas come from? Maybe someone else thought about it, but it was only a thought.

All that matters is that he's actually doing something about it.