Wireless Internet

ChAoTiCpInOy

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Not WiMax or anything. I'm talkinga bout those ISPs that use "Powered by Motorola Canopy" to beam you the internet through a satellite dish. Experiences? Is it good? Pros? Cons? Please help. I have a 150kbps connection now and I want to upgrade but I don't want to go Cable and that's the only other alternative besides this wireless thing.
 

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i worked for a company that used canopy, good stuff. very reliable, and low latency as long as they arent over-selling bandwidth.

but its not a satellite dish, its local, usually 1-6 miles or so to an access point. some places can offer bandwidth comparable to a DSL line, but usually its under 2Mbps

the equipment is pricey, find out where your responsibility and their responsibility is if the equipment is ever damaged or stops working. the client radios can cost a few hundred dollars.
 

Scarpozzi

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I would base it on quality of service versus price before not willing to go to cable.

Cable internet here is 6Meg or 8Meg, EXTREMELY reliable, and I pay $42 a month for it.

If I were to get a Satellite setup, it would be $99 a month to get decent speed, plus you have to deal with occasional rain-outs, snow on the dish, and wind factors.
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kevnich2

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Why don't you want to get cable internet??? If you can get cable, why are you even considering WISP (Wireless ISP)?? Cable is one of the most reliable forms of wired internet, next to fiber optics.
 

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
Why don't you want to get cable internet??? If you can get cable, why are you even considering WISP (Wireless ISP)?? Cable is one of the most reliable forms of wired internet, next to fiber optics.

the medium is. the provider however...:p
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
Why don't you want to get cable internet??? If you can get cable, why are you even considering WISP (Wireless ISP)?? Cable is one of the most reliable forms of wired internet, next to fiber optics.

Too expensive, plus I don't like comcast.
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Originally posted by: kevnich2
Why don't you want to get cable internet??? If you can get cable, why are you even considering WISP (Wireless ISP)?? Cable is one of the most reliable forms of wired internet, next to fiber optics.

Too expensive, plus I don't like comcast.
When you say wireless ISP are you referring to the cellphone-type broadband cards you can get? I thought you were considering a satellite dish. (which those are double what comcast is) I hate Comcast as a company, but have had decent luck with them as an ISP.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
What is the upload rate like with these services?

they can treat the uploads like DSL as well, i usually saw 256 or 512 up, we offered a symmetrical 1.5Mbps service on our top tier.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Originally posted by: kevnich2
Why don't you want to get cable internet??? If you can get cable, why are you even considering WISP (Wireless ISP)?? Cable is one of the most reliable forms of wired internet, next to fiber optics.

Too expensive, plus I don't like comcast.
When you say wireless ISP are you referring to the cellphone-type broadband cards you can get? I thought you were considering a satellite dish. (which those are double what comcast is) I hate Comcast as a company, but have had decent luck with them as an ISP.

WISP is not satellite

sometimes they use a reflector dish to enhance the signal if the AP is more than 2 miles from the client premises. its much lower latency and better bandwidth than a satellite connection
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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It's not the cellphone type. I think it's more like WiMax but in a smaller area. If it is a satellite dish that it uses to receive/send the signal, isn't it susceptable to the same problems as satellite tv owners?
 

Rubycon

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This post would not be possible without such technology. If more conventional alternatives (cable/xdsl/ftth etc) are available you definitely want to go that route first.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
It's not the cellphone type. I think it's more like WiMax but in a smaller area. If it is a satellite dish that it uses to receive/send the signal, isn't it susceptable to the same problems as satellite tv owners?

see above. canopy is *not* satellite

its long range wifi. clients can access APs from ~7 miles away with a reflector, most types require clean LOS, 900mhz systems use a yagi antenna and can deal with some foliage in the way.

its quite reliable. i loved working with the canopy gear.
 

olds

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My choices here are dial up or satellite.
We have satellite and only very rarely have outages because of weather. Outages just because are another matter. The latency is huge and makes online gaming impossible.
WISP in getting closer to us but not here yet. Set up cost is about the same a satellite but the latency is way lower.
My choces wold be; cable - wisp - satellite - dial up
 

Scarpozzi

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OK....I read Satellite dish in the first post and thought of DirectPC (now called HughesNet)....which is pricey.

I'm aware of the canopy stuff, but have never used it before. I'd be interested to know what the costs are to connect. Post back if you can find out what the service costs in your area...I don't even know if there's a provider around here...
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
My choices here are dial up or satellite.
We have satellite and only very rarely have outages because of weather. Outages just because are another matter. The latency is huge and makes online gaming impossible.
WISP in getting closer to us but not here yet. Set up cost is about the same a satellite but the latency is way lower.
My choces wold be; cable - wisp - satellite - dial up
You skipped DSL and stealing a neighbor's wifi. :p

 

olds

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
My choices here are dial up or satellite.
We have satellite and only very rarely have outages because of weather. Outages just because are another matter. The latency is huge and makes online gaming impossible.
WISP in getting closer to us but not here yet. Set up cost is about the same a satellite but the latency is way lower.
My choces wold be; cable - wisp - satellite - dial up
You skipped DSL and stealing a neighbor's wifi. :p

There is no DSL here and the closest neighbor is too far away.
 

sswingle

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I dont know if they still offer it, but looked into it here before cable was available and they wanted $500 for the equipment.
 

TwiceOver

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
What is the upload rate like with these services?

I work with a Fixed Point WISP here and we can shoot out 10/6mb for ~20 miles give or take (hills, trees, buildings). The 6mb up is limited by Docsis 1.1 and not by the "technology".

We usually charge a $299 install fee and retain all equipment so if anything goes wrong we replace it at no cost to the consumer... and to be honest the equipment is worthless to the consumer if they ever switch.

In our type of system, if you got a straight shot to the tower then the connection is rock solid through anything. The only time we had problems is when a massive ice storm ripped antennas off peoples roofs.

 

KMFJD

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It's better than dial up, latency is around 60-90 ms, dl speeds are between 1mb-1.4mb upload is about 380-600kbs

That has been my personal experience, you are nuts to go with them if dsl/cable is available...
 

Scouzer

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We use canopy at work. It's alright I guess, but way too expensive for what it offers. It's in no way worth it over cable.

It's fairly unreliable. Ping times vary from acceptable (120ms) to completely unacceptable (800ms) at the drop of a hat. Typically 3/4 days a week will have crazy ping spikes for no reason at random times.

It can fail for days.

It's not even comparable to landline connections.