Winmodem VS Hardware Modem

RC159

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Been hearing all the talk about how sorry winmodems are and how great hardware modems are! So I get rid of my Creative modem blaster
56k win modem and get me a US Robotics ISA hardware modem 56k. My blaster connected at 50,666 once in a while 49,300 The hardware modem connects at 49,300 most of the time and 25 % of the time slower, 1 out of every 50 connects it will connect at 50,666 Downloads are also alot slower now , I average around 3.1, use to be around 4.5 to 5.0 on the blaster. Am I doing something wrong with this hardware modem? It is setup for PnP. Any advice on how to get the most out of this modem!
 

Tates

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Check to see you have installed the latest drivers. Go to the manufacturer's website.

Here are some websites that contain excellent info that might help:

56k.com

Axcel216

Good luck!!
 

Modus

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Hardware modems don't benefit from driver updates nearly as well as winmodems. Firmware might help, but that's usually only a problem when your ISP's 56k protocols don't agree with your modem's. You seem to have discovered the fact that,

There are a number of reasons to avoid higher priced "hard modems," especially those made by 3Com/USR, in favor of a common PCI winmodem.

1) Winmodems are dirt cheap.

While a good Lucent LT or Rockwell/Conexant HCF winmodem can easily be found for less than $10 US (see PriceWatch) the cheapest hardware modem costs nearly four times as much: $36 plus shipping and handling. And for a 3Com part, you'll pay even more. By contrast, you can sometimes find winmodems for $5 or even for free with special promotions.

Everything else we put in our computers is subject to a price/performance ratio. In other words, if the performance of a more expensive part does not scale linearly with its price, we don't buy it. (RDRAM, anyone?) The same reasoning must be applied to hardware modems. They certainly don't perform four times as well as winmodems of a quarter the price, and as we'll see, they often don't perform any better at all.

2) Ping times and throughput are not an issue.

Modern Winmodems such as those based on the Lucent LT chipset will display ping times below 100ms and connect speeds around 48000, which is more than adequate for any Internet activity, including online gaming. Any recent softmodem -- especially the HCF variety, where the hardware handles a bit more of the duty -- should exhibit similar performance. Below, a cut and paste job from a generic Lucent LT v.90 PCI, which sells for as low as $9 on PriceWatch:

C:\WINDOWS>ping -n 10 router.infoserve.net

Pinging router.infoserve.net [199.175.157.4] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253

Ping statistics for 199.175.157.4:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 98ms

You may object that pinging an ISP would always yield good results. Actually, it's the only fair way to compare latency between modems. Pinging your ISP reduces the number of variables down to three: your modem's performance, the quality of your phone lines, and the nature of your ISP's modem pool. If we were to compare modems by pinging a fixed point on the Internet, we would quickly introduce several more uncontrolled variables: Internet traffic, server load, number of hops, etc.

Even if you ping your own ISP with an expensive hardware modem, I think you'll find it extremely difficult to match these numbers.

Not bad for $9, eh? ;)

3) CPU utilization is minimal.

One of the main arguments against winmodems has been that they consume CPU cycles. Fortunately, manufacturers have always made sure to set minimum CPU guidelines so that the effect is not noticeable. If CPU usage was ever a problem, it certainly isn't today.

CPU power has increased many, many times faster than the technology behind softmodems. For instance, the CPU usage of a typical winmodem hovers below 5% on a Celeron 333. This is in the range of the power required by Windows to spin an hourglass cursor; it's certainly not something that will eat into your game play significantly. Once again, we see the benifit of an HCF winmodem solution, where the onboard DSP relieves much of the stress on the CPU. And now we have people running around with 1 GHz processors. Any drop in frame rate will barely be measurable, let alone visible.

4) They are reliable.

In my consulting business, I've sold dozens of PC's equipped with the cheapest Winmodems I could find. Only one has ever come back with a genuine hardware defect.

Many ISP support techs have a grudge against winmodems because they feel these types of modems are responsible for an innordinate number of support calls. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, almost all new computers sold today use winmodems; a person with a new computer and a modem problem will likely be using a winmodem, simply because they are more prevalent. Second, winmodems actually require the drivers they ship with. A new PC user who can't tell the difference between his RAM and his hard drive space will feel his eyes glaze over when confronted with a manual telling him how to install softmodem drivers. Instinct tells him to phone his "Internet guys" and get them to help.

In truth, winmodems are no more apt to fail than hardware modems, and probably less so, because they have fewer electronic components.

5) Driver/OS support is excellent.

The Lucent LT, for example, supports Windows 2000, Windows 9x, Linux (see www.linmodems.org under the Vendor section), and even the obscure BeOS. Lucent also seems comitted to releasing a new driver every few months, which means your modem's performance will always be as high as possible.

6) Affordable broadband Internet technology puts any analogue modem to shame.

Anyone using the Internet for more than email and chat sees the need for widely available broadband Internet access to replace our antiquated 56k connections. Trying to enjoy streaming audio or video over a modem connection is like trying to sip a thick milkshake through a thin straw. With the availability and affordability of high speed Internet access growing at a steady rate, it would be foolish to invest more than the minimum amount in modem technology that is already obsolete.

So when you consider the facts, there are very few valid reasons to avoid winmodems.

Modus
 

Davegod75

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hehe...i know you have that in a text file for quick cut n' paste every time this comes up.
 

Wingznut

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I saw the title of this thread, and I wondered to myself if modus had retired his Winmodem post yet. Guess not. ;)
 

TravisBickle

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nooo you woke Modus up.
I have to say though, I get the feeling my integrated modem beats an external modem for performance a lot of the time, inexplicable as it was on a 233...
 

Sir Fredrick

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Your two modems may have originated from two different generations of protocols. (Kflex vs. whatever the other one was)

The only difference you should see when comparing winmodem to hardware modem, is the winmodem should have higher cpu utilization. That's about it.
 

Modus

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Actually, CPU usage on modern DSP-assisted winmodems is negligible. A Lucent LT tests at roughly 5% on Celeron 333. Today's 1 GHz Athlons are about four times faster computationally, yielding a CPU usage of about 1% ;)

WingzNut PEZ,

<< I saw the title of this thread, and I wondered to myself if modus had retired his Winmodem post yet. >>

Hardly. So long as there exists a confused soul reeling from the dozens of modem choices, an earnest buyer looking for maximum value, or a jaded hardware enthusiast raised on anti-winmodem rhetoric, the post will live on. It will live on in the hearts and minds of all righteous persons seeking truth, in the archives of this venereable forum, and in the glorious anals of history. It will slice like a scimitar through the dregs of misinformation and clouds of foolish opposition, hitting its target with skill and grace. It will win through, whatever the cost!

Yeah, that's the ticket ;)

Modus
 

NFS4

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Modus to the rescue...he never ceases to amaze me :)

But you do need to update your link in the Section 5. The BBS doesn't recognize those URL tags anymore :) You can see how OLD that thing is :D
 

RC159

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Modus, Thanks for all that info! Evening if it's old, cut and pasted.
Thanks, Again
 

TravisBickle

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read this sentence very carefully, I wonder if you can guess why it reminds me of a Monty Python parody before Modus can edit the spelling:
&quot;It will live on in the hearts and minds of all righteous persons seeking truth, in the archives of this venereable forum, and in the glorious anals of history&quot;

Sir Fred, I compared both as V90. Anandtech seemed to load faster with the integrated.

You know, I don't think CPU utilization is a big issue. when I browse, a modern cpu is going like 3% most of the time. even the issue of online gaming, with the cpu scaling of video cards, means that normally the detrimental effect of cpu utilization is absolutely minimal.

Modus, what do you think of the AMR modems? are they a good alternative to PCI softmodems? Athlon architecture has DSP commands, and a lot of their boards have an AMR slot now. but I could only find 2 AMR cards when I searched. just thinking that the cards might be more efficient somehow.
 

Bojax

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I have to say Modus, after reading your post i read about 6 week's ago you convinced me to get a Lucent winmodem for a system i built for a friend of mine. I tested it out for a while after i installed it and was very satisfied with the connection speed and overall performance. My friend is even more impressed.
Thank's
 

Modus

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TravisBickle,

<< It will live on in the hearts and minds of all righteous persons seeking truth, in the archives of this venereable forum, and in the glorious anals of history >>

There's no way I'm editting the spelling, that's a gem depending on how you read it ;)

<< You know, I don't think CPU utilization is a big issue. when I browse, a modern cpu is going like 3% most of the time. even the issue of online gaming, with the cpu scaling of video cards, means that normally the detrimental effect of cpu utilization is absolutely minimal. >>

True. Even in an online 3D FPS, 3% CPU utilization is only going to drop your frame rates by a couple fps -- not at all noticeable. And I lost the link, but there's a site that did CPU usage tests on a Lucent LT winmodem and found them less than 1%. Maybe some one remembers what I'm talking about.

<< Modus, what do you think of the AMR modems? are they a good alternative to PCI softmodems? Athlon architecture has DSP commands, and a lot of their boards have an AMR slot now. >>

An AMR modem, coupled with a modern southbridge like the VIA 686a, has no trouble matching your average PCI softmodem from PC-Tel or Motorola -- totally adequate for most online applications. But I have yet to see an AMR modem with an integrated DSP like the Lucent LT or Conexant HCF. And the real problem with AMR modems is cost -- if you can get a PCI Lucent LT for less than $10, the AMR modem has to be pretty cheap to compete. I do use AMR modems in some of my builds, but only to avoid wasting a case slot and only if the customer will mainly be using broadband.

Modus
 

Mem

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I`ve two ISP`s one I can connect at 49,300 all the time &amp; the other is 50,666 most times I think having a good ISP helps with good phone line,btw I`ve a hardware modem.

:)