Wine stinks.

hzl eyed grl

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I'm drinking a really cheap wine right now. I believe it's Arbor Mist Sangria or something. I don't normally like wine, but I enjoy wine coolers...and this is close. But I've noticed that even with this flavored stuff...it smells nasty. Ick! Oh well, at least I'll be able to go to sleep. :D
 

hzl eyed grl

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Originally posted by: fatbaby
Is it spoiled or something? Wine should smell like wine, not stinks

Well, it smells like wine....I guess I just don't like that smell? I dunno.

 

jlee

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I had a customer at work return some wine...he said it was bad. This was an english gentleman..accent and all. After refunding the $4 and change, he commented "That's all? My God, no wonder why it tasted bad!"

All wine isn't the same.. :p
 

clamum

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i really like Boone's Farm...it says apple flavored wine, it comes in different flavors. stuff is sooooo good. :wine:
 

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Originally posted by: americangigolo
i really like Boone's Farm...it says apple flavored wine, it comes in different flavors. stuff is sooooo good. :wine:

I remember drinking that mess in high school. It's in the category of Mad Dog...well, not exaclty THAT bad....
 

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I know a $100 a glass bottle of Bordeaux that disagrees.

And for the record, Sangria is Mexican for Urine (don't give me that blood crap, piss is the only thing you could possibly equate with that crap).
 

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Originally posted by: amnesiac
Originally posted by: fatbaby
Is it spoiled or something? Wine should smell like wine, not stinks

Arbor mist is like Franzia++

Franzia is SpoiledGrapeJuice++

Ahh, Franzia..."box of wine night" shall live in infamy...the blushes and white zinfandels are pretty good...
 

hzl eyed grl

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Originally posted by: americangigolo
i really like Boone's Farm...it says apple flavored wine, it comes in different flavors. stuff is sooooo good. :wine:
Yeah, I drank a bottle of the strawberry stuff a while ago in about 30 minutes. LOL

EDIT: My goodness it's gettin' hot in here..... *Fans herself*

Yeah, I'm one of those people that gets pink cheeks and gets hot when she drinks. :eek:

:wine:
 

Conky

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Wine is goood.

Remember the basics.

Only drink red wine.

Only drink it if it comes from Ravenswood or Phoenix or some other classy reasonably-priced vineyard.

Drinking wine coolers and discount wine is like drinking malt liquor and comparing it to good beer. There is no comparison to somebody who knows the diff.
 

Growltiger

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Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Ahh, Franzia..."box of wine night" shall live in infamy...the blushes and white zinfandels are pretty good...

Ah, but can "box of wine" top "jug-o-wine?"
 

AndrewR

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My personal creation of a slogan for Franzia: "From our bladder to yours", referring to the plastic "bladder" that it comes in.

Unless you really know what you're doing or get very lucky, spending anything less than $10 on a bottle of wine is asking for trouble (unless you're in France or Italy or Spain where wine can be bought very cheaply -- still need to know what to look for though).

My motto: Drink red and drink often!

Salut! :wine:
 

tcsenter

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Drinking wine coolers and discount wine is like drinking malt liquor and comparing it to good beer. There is no comparison to somebody who knows the diff.
And that somebody would be you? lol!

How do your credentials compare with Michael Franz, wine reviewer for the Washington Post since 1994, who has conducted more than 650 site visits and tastings at wineries in over 20 different countries across Western and Eastern Europe, South America, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa?

Franz recently tasted wines from the Charles Shaw label, infamously referred to as "Two Buck Chuck" due to its $1.99 price per bottle. Franz described the Merlot as "actually pretty good", the Chardonnay and Cabernet as "perfectly passable", but found the Sauvignon Blanc to be "hideous and bizarre."

Where is your wine column, Oh Distinguished Wine Appreciating One?
My personal creation of a slogan for Franzia: "From our bladder to yours", referring to the plastic "bladder" that it comes in.
C'mon! Franzia isn't that bad. Of course its the best-selling wine in the United States because its so terrible, right? It also receives many favorable reviews for entry-level table wine because its so terrible, right?

I routinely buy Beringer, Glen Ellen, Fetzer, Valley Oaks and a few others for less than $10.00 per bottle. The fact I am one hour's drive from about 100 Central Valley, Napa, and Northern California wineries might make a difference.

Wine isn't about belonging to some 'clique' of pretentious pricks, as is the primary attraction for so many self-proclaimed wine lovers who really don't know wine from Pepsi, they just parrot what their fellow 'clique' members are saying. Its about finding wines that suit your individual tastes and preferences.
 

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Originally posted by: hzl_eyed_grl
Originally posted by: americangigolo
i really like Boone's Farm...it says apple flavored wine, it comes in different flavors. stuff is sooooo good. :wine:
Yeah, I drank a bottle of the strawberry stuff a while ago in about 30 minutes. LOL

EDIT: My goodness it's gettin' hot in here..... *Fans herself*

Yeah, I'm one of those people that gets pink cheeks and gets hot when she drinks. :eek:

:wine:

pics and digits. :D
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
My personal creation of a slogan for Franzia: "From our bladder to yours", referring to the plastic "bladder" that it comes in.
C'mon! Franzia isn't that bad. Of course its the best-selling wine in the United States because its so terrible, right? It also receives many favorable reviews for entry-level table wine because its so terrible, right?

I routinely buy Beringer, Glen Ellen, Fetzer, Valley Oaks and a few others for less than $10.00 per bottle. The fact I am one hour's drive from about 100 Central Valley, Napa, and Northern California wineries might make a difference.

Wine isn't about belonging to some 'clique' of pretentious pricks, as is the primary attraction for so many self-proclaimed wine lovers who really don't know wine from Pepsi, they just parrot what their fellow 'clique' members are saying. Its about finding wines that suit your individual tastes and preferences.


Franzia is disgusting. Best selling? So what? It's cheap and comes in a box so people who can't handle something over $5 that requires a corkscrew can drink wine and call themselves sophisticated. I have seen Franzia in quite a few parties and functions that is merely there so the people having the party/function can say "beer and wine" on the invitation. Does that make it good?

Like I said, if you know what you're buying, you can find good wine for under $10. If you haven't the foggiest idea, you should go for something more expensive. If you are looking for red wine, you need to be even more careful because cheap reds can be quite vile. Whites are more flexible because a few more degrees of chill can disguise some poor taste. Quite frankly, very cheap red wine makes me gag -- I just cannot tolerate it any more unless I'm already drunk.

I lived in France for a year and have been drinking wines in earnest ever since. I've had wines from every region in France, from nearly every part of Italy, from multiple parts of Spain, from multiple parts of Germany, from Hungary and Slovakia, Poland, Greece, Turkey, Algeria, and the United States (CA, OR, WA, TN, VA, GA). Unfortunately, since I was just starting out while in France, some of the complexities of what I tasted certainly escaped my notice. Now that I have at least 500 wines to my taste, I have a much better appreciation for wine than I did back then.

If you think that people should drink <$10 bottles of wine and stay happy, then go for it. That leaves the good stuff to those who can appreciate it. Certainly drinking wine is about learning what you like and sticking to it, but don't leave anyone with the sense that spending money on a bottle of wine is a waste. Of course, often the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $30 bottle of wine is a few years worth of aging and nothing more.

My perception is a little different about wine pricing because I primarily stick with French wine, being what I know best. My favorite wine is not exported to the United States but is only 70 francs/bottle in France from the vintner (Auxey-Duresse, about $10).
 

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: tcsenter
My personal creation of a slogan for Franzia: "From our bladder to yours", referring to the plastic "bladder" that it comes in.
C'mon! Franzia isn't that bad. Of course its the best-selling wine in the United States because its so terrible, right? It also receives many favorable reviews for entry-level table wine because its so terrible, right?

I routinely buy Beringer, Glen Ellen, Fetzer, Valley Oaks and a few others for less than $10.00 per bottle. The fact I am one hour's drive from about 100 Central Valley, Napa, and Northern California wineries might make a difference.

Wine isn't about belonging to some 'clique' of pretentious pricks, as is the primary attraction for so many self-proclaimed wine lovers who really don't know wine from Pepsi, they just parrot what their fellow 'clique' members are saying. Its about finding wines that suit your individual tastes and preferences.


Franzia is disgusting. Best selling? So what? It's cheap and comes in a box so people who can't handle something over $5 that requires a corkscrew can drink wine and call themselves sophisticated. I have seen Franzia in quite a few parties and functions that is merely there so the people having the party/function can say "beer and wine" on the invitation. Does that make it good?

Like I said, if you know what you're buying, you can find good wine for under $10. If you haven't the foggiest idea, you should go for something more expensive. If you are looking for red wine, you need to be even more careful because cheap reds can be quite vile. Whites are more flexible because a few more degrees of chill can disguise some poor taste. Quite frankly, very cheap red wine makes me gag -- I just cannot tolerate it any more unless I'm already drunk.

I lived in France for a year and have been drinking wines in earnest ever since. I've had wines from every region in France, from nearly every part of Italy, from multiple parts of Spain, from multiple parts of Germany, from Hungary and Slovakia, Poland, Greece, Turkey, Algeria, and the United States (CA, OR, WA, TN, VA, GA). Unfortunately, since I was just starting out while in France, some of the complexities of what I tasted certainly escaped my notice. Now that I have at least 500 wines to my taste, I have a much better appreciation for wine than I did back then.

If you think that people should drink <$10 bottles of wine and stay happy, then go for it. That leaves the good stuff to those who can appreciate it. Certainly drinking wine is about learning what you like and sticking to it, but don't leave anyone with the sense that spending money on a bottle of wine is a waste. Of course, often the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $30 bottle of wine is a few years worth of aging and nothing more.

My perception is a little different about wine pricing because I primarily stick with French wine, being what I know best. My favorite wine is not exported to the United States but is only 70 francs/bottle in France from the vintner (Auxey-Duresse, about $10).


Your idea of good is very likely someone else's idea of crap. Price really has no reflection on whether someone enjoys their wine or not. The whole idea behind it is to enjoy it, not to tell everyone "Hey look at me, I bought this wine no ones heard of and it cost me only $80. I'm special."
 

Michael

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We have a 500 bottle celler that is petty much full right now. I'm not familiar with the "wine" that Hzl was complaining about, but I have had many, many bottles of wine for less than $10 that were very good and many $50 bottles that were so0so at best.

My wife and I would be going down to Paso Robles for the wine festival in May (we've been before), but we have a 9 month old and can't arrange baby-sitting for the weekend (our 6-year old isn't a problem).

Michael
 

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what? wine discussion without anything on my favorite of all wines??

German Rieslings.

mm.
 

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Homemade Sangria is some good stuff... our fraternity makes it at least twice a year... not bad at all.

As far as other wines go, I like both white wine and red wines, but I think you should stay away from pink wines. Franzia and Arbor Mist are cheap and popular, but in my opinion, aren't worth it unless you are just trying to get royally fux0red.
 

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
My personal creation of a slogan for Franzia: "From our bladder to yours", referring to the plastic "bladder" that it comes in.

Unless you really know what you're doing or get very lucky, spending anything less than $10 on a bottle of wine is asking for trouble (unless you're in France or Italy or Spain where wine can be bought very cheaply -- still need to know what to look for though).

My motto: Drink red and drink often!

Salut! :wine:
You can get a decent bottle of Inglenook Cabernet or Merlot here in California for under $10. Of course California is to wine like France is. It's the $2 bottles of wine you have to watch out for LOL:)