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Windows XP & SATA drives

Slick5150

Diamond Member
I have an IDE drive and 2 SATA drives hooked up to my ABIT NF7-S motherboard...

Whenever I'm accessing something on the SATA drives, Windows keeps making the Device Connect / Device Disconnect sounds (like when you're inserting or removing a USB device).

So, my question would be, why is it doing this, and how would I go about stopping it?

Thanks

 
Not to sound glib, but you could just disable the connect/disconnect sound under your current "sounds" profile. I know that doesn't go to the root of why in the world your computer is doing that though.
 
Well, I have an a8n-sli premium board. I have a "safely disconnect hardware" message on desktop that comes up for like cameras and my ipod. I have a feeling that the sata and IDE hard drives just dont like each other for some reason, and the ide being more primitive might take role as the primary over the two (in the bios its listed above the satas so im guessing that its boot priority one) I just live with it, but Im getting rid of my IDE soon as i am getting a pair of raptor 74's (Tiger is having a sale with a 90 dollar off rebate if you buy the package of 2.. like 230 after rebates for both 74s....)
 
Well, I guess the bigger problem is that I think Windows IS actually constantly connecting and disconnecting the drive while it's in use. They're mainly my storage drives (the SATA drives) so I'm not constantly using them, but when I'm copying files, they seem to go really slow as if Windows is doing it in spurts because the drive is connecting and disconnecting (this happens on either SATA drive)

I should also mention that every once in awhile when it's doing it, it pops up the "USB device not recognized box" for whatever reason as well... Which is odd considering these aren't USB devices.

Anyone know what's up?
 
I understand your pain guys, I have only one drive in my comp and its a seagate 80 gig. It's doint the same thing as yours, I always have the icon on my desktop saying "you can remove this peripheral safely" wich is idiotic since its the only freakin drive I have!!! Been trying to remove this icon but I dont even know where to start... whats up with windows?
 
Well, the strange gets stranger. It apparently only does this when my printer (Canon i470D) is on. If I turn it off, the drives work without the constant connects/disconnects. As soon as I turn it on, back they come.

Any ideas on this one?
 
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Well, the strange gets stranger. It apparently only does this when my printer (Canon i470D) is on. If I turn it off, the drives work without the constant connects/disconnects. As soon as I turn it on, back they come.

Any ideas on this one?

I love posting links on this forum. Nobody ever goes to them. thereby eliminating any possibility of an argument.

 
I read the link you posted where someone mentioned an issue with the printer, but nobody responded or posted a fix. That's what gave me the idea to check if my printer was involved, which it was, but still have no idea how to fix it (other than shut the printer off obviously)
 
well..............
since the i470D I just saw at Amazon.com has a USB interface, I suugest you throw it in the trashcan and buy one that only has a parallel port connection - in other words, without the hot plug/unplug option that usb stuff has.

Product Features

USB 2.0 interface; PC and Mac compatible
Up to 18 ppm black, 12 ppm color
Prints 4-by-6-inch borderless photos in just 93 seconds
4,800 x 1,200 dpi color, 600 x 600 dpi black
Reads CompactFlash, Memory Stick, Microdrive, SmartMedia, SD, and MultimediaCard
 
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
well..............
since the i470D I just saw at Amazon.com has a USB interface, I suugest you throw it in the trashcan and buy one that only has a parallel port connection - in other words, without the hot plug/unplug option that usb stuff has.

Product Features

USB 2.0 interface; PC and Mac compatible
Up to 18 ppm black, 12 ppm color
Prints 4-by-6-inch borderless photos in just 93 seconds
4,800 x 1,200 dpi color, 600 x 600 dpi black
Reads CompactFlash, Memory Stick, Microdrive, SmartMedia, SD, and MultimediaCard

I don't think throwing my printer in the trashcan is a perfect solution to the problem. There must be something causing the printer and the SATA drives to interfere, and a workaround for it.
 
I also have an Asus A8N motherboard, thoguht the Deluxe version. I think i read somewhere that the SATA-II ports will show up in the "Safely Remove Hardware" menu since SATA-II is hot-swappable... So that answers why the drives appear there. I also have an IDE drive that I am currently searching for a SATa upgrade for, and there is no problem using both interfaces.

As for the connect/disconnect thing, I have no idea, I don't know that I've had that issue... But now that I read this thread I do recall sometimes hearing the noise and thinking "what the?" since I didn't do anything other than wake the computer or move my mouse after watching a DVD or something. As far as I have noticed, there seems to be no performance hit and it doesn't happen very often, so it doesn't bother me.

\Dan
 
Thanks DBSX. I had noticed the random connect/disconnect noises in the past, but this is literally every few seconds.

It's the involvement of the printer that doesn't make much sense to me.
 
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I have an IDE drive and 2 SATA drives hooked up to my ABIT NF7-S motherboard...

Whenever I'm accessing something on the SATA drives, Windows keeps making the Device Connect / Device Disconnect sounds (like when you're inserting or removing a USB device).

So, my question would be, why is it doing this, and how would I go about stopping it?

Thanks

Maybe I missed somebody else asking this.

Did you install the IDE Drivers that are part of the NF4 Chipset Drivers ?
If you did, I'd be willing to bet that's the problem.

When I accidentally installed these once, they caused my SATA to be listed as a "removable" Drive (possibly USB). It eventually ended up disappearing altogether.

Re-installed XP without these, and haven't had a problem since.




 
Maybe I missed somebody else asking this.

Did you install the IDE Drivers that are part of the NF4 Chipset Drivers ?
If you did, I'd be willing to bet that's the problem.

When I accidentally installed these once, they caused my SATA to be listed as a "removable" Drive (possibly USB). It eventually ended up disappearing altogether.

Re-installed XP without these, and haven't had a problem since.

Nope, I didn't install the Nforce IDE drivers. Good thought though, as I know those have been known to cause strange behavior.

 
Okay, another thing you might want to look at is your IRQ resources. I know on my MB there are a lot of shared IRQs between devices.

You may need to juggle around some devices (PCI) to eliminate a possible conflict/confusion type issue, even if it's not showing up as
as a blatant yellow "!" in your Device Manager.

Umm, how's your Power ? There may be something odd going on there too.

Bent pin on your Printer cable ?

Just throwing some ideas out here for you.

 
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However, the second problem of installing new hardware, getting the driver installed, has been tackled in another way. When Universal Serial Bus, USB, came to fruition we were told we simply plugged such devices in and away we went. Windows was altered to cope with USB, starting with Windows 98. The first edition only implemented a subset of functionality, as I have found to my cost when I installed my digital camera. As well as being a digital camera it is supposed to act as a webcam. It doesn't, because the basic Windows 98 does not support that functionality. Full support for USB came with Windows 98SE. For professional versions of Windows, (the NT line), it took till Windows XP before USB was fully supported.

Now, I must admit, I thought the instant connection meant the problem of installing drivers went away and so it appeared when I installed my USB scanner. I did not consciously load a driver. However, when I installed my digicam software it was clear that a driver was being installed, even though I thought nothing of it at the time.

We now fast forward to this last week. I was pondering buying a USB flash drive to transfer some files between my Windows 98 machine and a friend's Windows XP machine. I asked an office colleague, who has used such a device, how easy it was to use. He told me that with XP just plug in and go. However, Windows 98 was a bit more tricky. A driver had to be installed and it was important to install this before plugging the device in. I thought that we had another limitation of Windows 98 USB here. However, serendipity struck.

The next day my colleague came in saying he had the self same problem when he tried to use his new USB printer with his Windows XP machine. He plugged it in and ... it didn't go! Not only that but his webcam, also on the USB, no longer functioned! He eventually solved the problem by getting an XP driver for the printer from the manufacturers web site, as it did not come with one. He then removed all USB device drivers currently installed on his machine and, WITHOUT plugging in the devices first, reinstalled the USB drivers, including his new printer driver. All USB devices now work and you can hot swap as required.

My colleague has reasoned that the source of this problem is probably within Windows XP and its 'I'll try not to bother the user with problems and fix it myself' syndrome. This is what he thinks happened.


First and foremost, despite what you may think, a driver is required for USB devices.


When the USB printer was plugged in, Windows XP could not find a driver. Instead of telling the user it has a problem, it decides to install what it thinks is a suitable driver from those in its installation setup.


This driver does not work! Not only that, it has somehow corrupted the drivers for other USB devices.


To solve the problem you have to remove all the existing USB device drivers otherwise Windows will continue to try and use them. You may also have to remove the USB port driver itself.


When you come to install the drivers back again do NOT connect any devices or Windows will detect them and try to install the duff drivers again.

If you remove the USB port driver then I guess the first thing that will happen when you restart Windows is that the USB port will be detected and you let Windows install what is necessary. Now you install any custom USB device drivers that are needed, without connecting the equipment. Finally you connect your devices. Windows will now find the custom drivers for that equipment which needs them and install its default drivers for the other USB equipment. All should now be well.

I keep a record of all installations I do on my PC. I checked how I installed my scanner, the first USB device I had. I plugged it in without checking for custom drivers. I guess it did not need any because Windows installed its own usbscan.sys file and all works OK. That is fortunate, because the file properties show it is a Logitech scanner driver and I have an AGFA scanner!

Looking at my installation records for the digicam I note that I installed the software first before plugging the hardware in. In fact I remember the box having a set of installation instructions inside which said plug the hardware in and then install the software. However, there was a separate piece of paper which said you had to install the software first! Now I know why!

What does all this mean for anyone who buys a USB device and wants to avoid problems?

First, check if any drivers come with the device and, if so, check if they include XP drivers.

If it does come with drivers but XP drivers are not included then go to the appropriate web site and see if you can find some XP drivers.

When you have got some XP drivers then INSTALL THESE FIRST.

Now, and only now, can you plug in your new toy to the USB port.

As I have said any number of times before, I hate software that tries to make decisions for me and gets it wrong. Windows XP is the pits.


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