Windows Xp "hangs" for about 1 min

[Aleksandar]

Hi i just whanna say nice forum a lot of info here
When i start windows xp (Pro) i get to the desktop i can click on any folder but i cant start a lot of programs
unless i wait for about one minute the programs on the taksbar dont load till this time passes i use dsl
and i cant connect to the internet that minute this hapens only on startup after that its ok
and the hdd is not spinning no load on the processor its like windows is waithing some driver to load or something i got all the ladest drivers all the updates from microsoft here are my system spec


2.6C (HT) Mobo:Msi Neo2 512 ddr 423Mhz Gforce Fx 5200
(Bfg Tech) DDR:256MB Antec TruePower 480W 40Gb Maxtor 7200Rpm 200Gb Maxtor 7200Rpm Pci Ide Controller For the 2 hdd 133/mbs Cd Cdrw Dvd....

 

[FreshPrince]

same with me.....

usually I wait until my network icon comes on.....

but i've scanned with spybot and norton without finding anything...

some program is running at startup, I just can't figure out what

 

[Aleksandar]

Yah i know a lot of people got this problem but i just cant find the source
Hope someone helps

 

[CTho9305]

I believe that the networking components of Windows XP aren't fully loaded by login time. In win9x, the boot process used to hang for a long time until the networking stuff loaded, but now, that goes on in the background, so you can actually do non-networking stuff in parallel. I don't think there's really any way around it.

 

[Aleksandar]

CTho9305 i think you are right but there must be somthing or some way around it maby get it to load faster
i know my comp can handle it a lot faster.

Thanks

 

[tkistre]

Just curious, do you have a mapped drive on a local network? I set up a small network in a office with a mapped drive from one computer on all the workstations. All of the workstations run WinXP Pro and all of them take about one minute during bootup, at the desktop, to totally load Windows and ready to function properly. I know it is the mapped drive, because if I hit the "Enter" key, Windows will load immediately, but the mapped drive will not be connected.

May not be your problem, but I figured I'd let you know.

 

[nothingman]

Same problem here, same mobo (MSI Neo2 865PE), same CPU (2.6C), only that I get randoms hangs, posted here before, and I remember people told me that the problem was the mobo (something is wrong with MSI 865 mobos), it undervolts or something like that, I really don't know, have not changed my mobo yet, and I don't think I will in the near future ...

 

[Aleksandar]

tkistre no i am not ir seems to be a network problem never tried to hit enter to see if it works if so then it is not mapped drive but something close to that this problem as i remember hapend after a windows update
like 1 year ago i dont know what microsoft thinks about this problem they need to give us a pach or something or maby they dont care who knows

 

[Aleksandar]

nothingman no it is not the mobo my old pc 1.8ghz p4 same problem same hangs like you on xp pro
go to task menager and see if explorer is using up all the resorces if so then go to folder options view
and check do not chane thumbnails i think this was the solutions for the hangs when you are using explores to go to c or some folder you got

 

[getbush]

I have this problem on my Compaq laptop, mobile P4 1.6 with XP Pro. I get to my desktop and the system seems idle, but the network icon does not pop up for a minute or 2. I can open programs and such just fine, but my wireless card does not display a link light or connect to the internet for this first minute or so, until my network icon appears, then everything is fine. This happens on ~87% of startups.

 

[Aleksandar]

yah same as all of us we need to solve this i hate i the fact that i gotha wait to check email or stuff

 

[oog]

I think this is the same problem that I experience. What I've found is that for about a minute after I log in (which I do as soon as I'm able after starting the computer), I cannot access Internet Explorer, AIM or Yahoo IM. However, I do find that Firefox does load up a web page (google) well before any of those other three programs start working. Do others see that same behavior?

I've wondered if the problem had to do with NAV (I currently have 2004, but the problem also existed with 2003) or possibly the Leadtek TV2000 Deluxe TV Tuner that I have. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[FreshPrince]

it sems we all have the same problem...which is the network not loading for about a minute or two...

as soon as the network icon pops up, everything is ok.

during the hang time, you can see that NAV icon has a red x, which means it is somehow not loaded....which I think has something to do with it...

either that, or there's a virus out there that prevents NAV from loading before it loads into memory...once the virus loads, then NAV loads and network connection is established. It's a strech, but I've tried everything to resolve this issue.

I too have a MSI, but it's the A64 mobo so it may be the mobo software.

There's too many factors out there. So far, it points to MSI though

 

[oog]

I have an EPoX 8KHA+ motherboard, so I don't think the problem is limited to MSI motherboards.

 

[FreshPrince]

hmm...there's gotta be something we all have in common, so mobo is out of the question.

How about...does everyone have a page file? I turned mine off.

Also, what system tweaks have we all applied? I have some network and system tweaks from various sites applied. All of these are registry tweaks.

Also, there's a possibility that by turning off certain services, computer is locking at startup.

this one is tricky because it hard to see what's happening during those 1-2 minutes of inactivity after bootup.

 

[oog]

I have a pagefile. Does everyone have a TV Tuner?

 

[Sianath]

Most of the delays you see are due to parallel initilization of many things we used to force you to wait for prior to login.

See the following for a list of changes to the kernel... check out the boot sections specifically.
- http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/kernel/XP_kernel.mspx#XSLTsection130121120120

Specifically...

"For optimizing boot time, device drivers should only do what is required to initialize the device during boot, and defer all else to post-boot."

"For PCs not in a domain, network initialization is now done in parallel to boot. Winlogon will not wait for network initialization for PCs in a workgroup; however, those PCs in a domain will still wait."

"Protocol binding is now done in parallel to boot. Previously, NDIS caused boot delays while binding protocols to adapters, due to the adapter negotiating link speed with hubs and switches. This also affects PCs having network adapters without network cables attached. "

In short, the networking delays you are seeing are due to us not making you wait for that to start prior to hitting the desktop (assuming no 3rd party apps delaying anything). Any delays outside of that could be caused by 3rd party service dependencies. You can check if something like that is causing problems by doing a clean boot via msconfig to disable 3rd part applications during startup. If the problem goes away, the delay you are seeing is being caused by one of those apps.

 

[AnMig]

This is definetly a Networking problem. I believe it has somehing to do with xp trying to figure out who is master or slave in the network(something like that).

The work around I have found is to assign a LAN IP manually Instead of allowing XP to assign one automatically. This has solved my slow boot up on all my 4 computers.

Peace.

try it and see if it fixes your problem

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: oog
I have a pagefile. Does everyone have a TV Tuner?

I have an ATI TV Tuner

Originally posted by: Sianath
Most of the delays you see are due to parallel initilization of many things we used to force you to wait for prior to login.

See the following for a list of changes to the kernel... check out the boot sections specifically.
- http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/kernel/XP_kernel.mspx#XSLTsection130121120120

Specifically...

"For optimizing boot time, device drivers should only do what is required to initialize the device during boot, and defer all else to post-boot."

"For PCs not in a domain, network initialization is now done in parallel to boot. Winlogon will not wait for network initialization for PCs in a workgroup; however, those PCs in a domain will still wait."

"Protocol binding is now done in parallel to boot. Previously, NDIS caused boot delays while binding protocols to adapters, due to the adapter negotiating link speed with hubs and switches. This also affects PCs having network adapters without network cables attached. "

In short, the networking delays you are seeing are due to us not making you wait for that to start prior to hitting the desktop (assuming no 3rd party apps delaying anything). Any delays outside of that could be caused by 3rd party service dependencies. You can check if something like that is causing problems by doing a clean boot via msconfig to disable 3rd part applications during startup. If the problem goes away, the delay you are seeing is being caused by one of those apps.

The slowdown I am experiencing is after the desktop loads...it basically looks like I'm totally in the OS, but the network service takes a minute or two to start. It didn't do this after a fresh install, so something in between messed it up....I have a feeling it's one of those XP tweaks that I followed :disgust:

Originally posted by: AnMig
This is definetly a Networking problem. I believe it has somehing to do with xp trying to figure out who is master or slave in the network(something like that).

The work around I have found is to assign a LAN IP manually Instead of allowing XP to assign one automatically. This has solved my slow boot up on all my 4 computers.

Peace.

try it and see if it fixes your problem

I have a static IP

 

[Aleksandar]

nope i dont use a TV Tuner and this is going on from the second bood of windows so no tweaks are involved
and it is not the mobo (msi) i before i used pc chips one before that asus same thing on all of them
and about the ip adress i dont use a static ip i got dsl but can i set an ip adress my self i dont think so?

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: Aleksandar
nope i dont use a TV Tuner and this is going on from the second bood of windows so no tweaks are involved
and it is not the mobo (msi) i before i used pc chips one before that asus same thing on all of them
and about the ip adress i dont use a static ip i got dsl but can i set an ip adress my self i dont think so?

if you're behind a simple broadband router like linksys, you can set your own ip

 

[oog]

I will try setting up a static ip when I get home.

FreshPrince: In your previous post you stated that you have a static ip. That didn't solve your problem, did it?

What are our current theories right now -- some Windows update, some common hardware, some kind of network configuration -- anything else?

 

[Aleksandar]

FreshPrince no am not behind a simple broadband router so i cant change the ip
ogg i think it was a windows update that started the problem when i do a fresh install of windows i update mu windows on the first boot so the problem starts from the second boot i dont think it is a hardware problem it is more a network software problem there is gotta be someone that fixed this we need to find him

 

[FreshPrince]

yes, that is correct, my pc is setup with static ip, and no, it didn't fix the problem

if windows update broke it, it is possible to go into control panel, add remove programs, and uninstall all the updates. If someone will try that and let us know, I can't because I've got some programs that require these updates. The trick here is to try uninstalling one by one and rebooting each time, this way, you can narrow down which update caused the problem.

before you do though, I would recommend installing the advanced networking update from windows update and see if that fixed the network problem 1st.....because it just might.

As for common things right now...it seems TV card is the only thing in common.

 

[oog]

Is it possible that we all have the same network driver? I'm not at home so I can't go check, but I'll post info about my network card and driver when I get a chance. I think that Aleksandar said he does not have a TV Tuner, so I think we can rule that out.