Windows Whistler ======ANTI-PIRACY LOCK======No more Copying======

Bluga

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According to ZDNet:

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The most potentially controversial addition to Whistler 2410, however, is anti-piracy code that Microsoft is calling "Microsoft Product Activation for Windows," (WPA) according to testers. The technology is similar to the Office Activation Wizard that's part of Office 2000.

WPA will tie a Windows product key to one specific PC in order to reduce casual copying. In order to "activate" it, a customer will send data about the installation, such as product ID number and hardware identifier, to a Microsoft-run license clearinghouse. The clearinghouse won't allow the use of the customer's product key on a PC different from the one originally activated.

Microsoft plans to deliver WPA in all 32-bit versions of Whistler except those sold to volume-licensing customers and the so-called "Royalty OEM initial install images" provided to PC makers, said sources close to the company. Microsoft is expected to add similar anti-piracy technology to Office 10 and Visual Studio .Net, sources said.

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What happens if you upgrade your harddisk / you reformat your computer ?
Do you have to buy another version ?

Here's an resonable solution to upgrading but it's definitely a hassle:


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In the case of the upgrade scenerios everyone is talking about you would likely have to call MS
and reset your ID number or get a new product ID. Either way you would have to use your real name
and stuff the first time you registered it so you can prove you are you. Sure it sucks, sure it's
a pain, sure it flys in the face of privacy, but it is effective and just enforces the license
agreements that we all click accept to anyway.

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office boy

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I'd guesss that a hack to bypasss this will be out months before Whistler goes gold.
 

ScottyB_

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It's probably just a lie to stop most people from copying because of fear of getting in trouble.
 

zippy

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Bluga, good point- this is ridiculous! First rumors about the movie industry not allowing DVD-RW now this.

C'mon MS, LOTS of people upgrade their hard drives!!! :|
 

Budman

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This will never change anything.

If a new protection comes out there will ALWAYS be someone able to crack it.;)
 

Pariah

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It would be very unlikely that the hard drive would be the hardware identifier they are talking about. A mac IP number or something like that would be more likely. This scheme seems to have a slight hole in it. It appears that there is an assumption that you have an internet connection. If you don't, you're either home free, or completely out of luck.
 

AMD4ME2

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I'm sure someone will figure out a way to get around that... not to mention the fact that I once saw a program that allowed you to change your HD serial number/ID. So if you switched hard drives I would think that would come into play. interesting topic though. Hope it doesn't end up locked :)

Whistler looks very promising to me! everyone I talk to loves Windows 2000. But I too would not want it "phoning home" even if I bought it which I would actually do if it was stable and didn't leak memory like a stuck pig. Right now I have 384meg of ram installed in win98se and in about 2 hours of heavy use it can be completely gone!
 

xtreme2k

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There are certain versions of Office 2000 that already require this 'activiation' crap, and there are a few ways you can do it,
Phone call to m$
Email
Net
even snail mail i remember

 

Argo

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You guys seem to be forgetting that it is meant to fight parites. As much as we all love free software, it's illegal, and I can understand why.
 

Eug

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With my version of Quicken, every time I reinstall it (eg. reformat, upgrade OS, etc.), I have to call Intuit while sitting in front of my computer to tell them what the number generator in my Quicken install says, so that I can activate it. It's a definite pain the @ss since it's only during regular business hours, when I'm not at home of course.

I've been trying to find a hack for it, especially because it's an older version that I got though a promotion with my bank, and sometimes the tech doesn't know why the numbers it is spitting out are different from the usual.
 

AMD4ME2

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what version of quicken are you running Eug?? I have quicken 2000 and I have never done that.
 

Czar

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Thats stupid, they should keep things as they are, by enforcing this they will stop users from using whistler, stop users from using windows when the time comes, stop users from using other Microsoft software.

Just a nail in the coffin. To damn microsoft is so big, it will take millions of nails.
 

Bluga

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No internet access means you can only use the operating systems for few times than it won't boot up again.

;)

This is true for newer versions of Offiec2000. You can only run 10 times if you don't register.
 

PCResources

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This is the reason why i recommend Linux systems with Star Office, it is a great stable system (more stable than windows, if set up properly) and the Star Office can do just about anything that MS Office can do... Plus, you get the SQL server, the REAL (not the personal MS crap) web server, the choice between desktop managers in X and a whole lot more. There are soo many USEFUL FREE applications for Linux, exlpore it, you will not turn back to Windows.

If you haven't tried Linux, send MS the message and do so... Try Mandrake if you are a newbie, it will suit your needs.

Open Source, this is the future....

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources
 

slpaulson

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So I'll have to buy 2 copies of Whistler, one for the main computer and one for the computer in the next room?
That is the biggest pile ever. I don't mind them trying to stop piracy but this is just crappy.
 

Lore

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Crazydood: you were always supposed to buy two copies, one for the main computer and one for the one in the other room. :) This is more of a concern to those of us that format harddrives all the time, because the activition key will change.
 

AMD4ME2

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Thats right Linux is Da Bomb! I love working in linux.. still don't fully understand it all that much and haven't taken the plunge into gaming in Linux.. but its just the best ever for surfing and doing work! Plus the desktop features are cool as hell! I would be very careful if I was microsoft.. they could hurt themselves in this situation.

 

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<< This is true for newer versions of Offiec2000. You can only run 10 times if you don't register. >>

I never registered my version of Office 2000, and it still works perfectly! I have it installed on all my comps (3), and they all work fine (???).

<< In the case of the upgrade scenerios everyone is talking about you would likely have to call MS and reset your ID number or get a new product ID. Either way you would have to use your real name and stuff the first time you registered it so you can prove you are you. Sure it sucks, sure it's a pain, sure it flys in the face of privacy, but it is effective and just enforces the license agreements that we all click accept to anyway. >>

Well, I guess Whistler is out for me, and my company! My company will probably take Linux for a ride.
 

AngelOfDeath

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I think it's completly stupid. I reinstall often. If I have to call or contact MS everytime they got to be f*cking stupid...Ignorant f*cks :|.

Well, somehow we'll be able to bypass the sh|t I believe.

AoD ;)
 

Slacker

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NOX, sorry, our list is long and we are under staffed, someone will be right over. /jk
 

xtreme2k

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not all versions of Office 2000 require this activiation procedure, actually most dont. I duno which 'batch' has it and which dont though
 

Argo

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Btw, this just came to my mind. Install Whistler, then create exact Ghost image, and you are good to go :) There is nothing Microsoft can do to stop you, cuz as far as your system is concerned it was never reinstalled :):)