Windows Vs Linux

kidcool321

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Hey I am just wondering What OS do you guys use because i was thinking of switching to linux system. And i Had some questing about the OS's

What is the difference between Linux and Windows?
Can you use all the stuff you use on windows on linux like games and softwares?
What has better securety?
Which distributer is the BEST?


aight thx :)
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: kidcool321
Hey I am just wondering What OS do you guys use because i was thinking of switching to linux system. And i Had some questing about the OS's

What is the difference between Linux and Windows?
What is the difference between purple and banana?

Can you use all the stuff you use on windows on linux like games and softwares?
Possibly, look at WINE and cedega.

What has better securety?
Which has better owls?

Which distributer is the BEST?
George.

aight thx :)

np
 

duragezic

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Windows XP for me.

I've messed with Linux a bunch of times (I really liked Ubuntu last) but my main problem is that I game fairly often and I dont want to be rebooting into XP to launch a game. I would venture to guess the majority of the games I play would be a pain or unable to be played in Linux (BF2.. lol no chance). Maybe if I was on my computer doing work or other crap 90% of the time and gaming 10% of the time, I'd run linux as my primary OS. But as this point gaming is a big part of my computer usage.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: duragezic
Windows XP for me.

I've messed with Linux a bunch of times (I really liked Ubuntu last) but my main problem is that I game fairly often and I dont want to be rebooting into XP to launch a game. I would venture to guess the majority of the games I play would be a pain or unable to be played in Linux (BF2.. lol no chance). Maybe if I was on my computer doing work or other crap 90% of the time and gaming 10% of the time, I'd run linux as my primary OS. But as this point gaming is a big part of my computer usage.

no chance?
3) What games run on Cedega?
TransGaming listens carefully to its customers and dedicates its resources to bringing the best titles to the Linux community. With each release TransGaming adds support for some of the newest available titles. Cedega can run a huge library of Windows-based games ranging from massive multiplayer online games such as World of Warcraft to blockbuster hits like Battlefield 2. TransGaming rigorously tests and offers technical support on officially supported titles. Please visit the TransGaming Games Database for the full list of working and officially supported titles.
 

BladeVenom

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But even if you get those games to run on Linux you probably won't be able to play multiplayer because of the anti-cheat software.
 
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I made a post on another forum as to why I used Linux over Windows. While I'm possible wrong with some of the things I've said, I'll post it here anyways.

To start things off, let me explain a couple things.

1. Linux is open-sourced, Windows is not.

What does this mean? Open-sources means that the code that makes the program is publicly available to anyone who wants it. What that means is that if I had downloaded a cool program, but I noticed a bug, or a missing feature...I could add it and recompile the source and re-distribute. The beauty of this, is that if enough people work on t he same projects, not only will they get done faster, but they'll be better aswell. And they will keepgetting better. Did I also mention Linux software is free? Yeah, that's right. No more paying $700 for Photoshop, I'll just download Gimp. No more paying hundreds for the Microsoft Office suite, I'll just download Open Office. Linux has ported much of its free software to Windows, which means you can also get it there for free. You should be grateful.

Windows, on the other hand, is not open-sources. What this means is, when you install a program, you agree to never modify or sell the program. That means if there's a problem, you're not legally allowed to fix it. This hinders the development of software, making it take much longer to be finished.

Think of it like this: with Linux, it's like building a pyramid with 10,000 people to help you. With Windows, you've got 10. Which would you choose?

2. Spyware free. Linux distributions are 100% spyware free, to date. I'm not saying they're completely in-vulnerable, but there hasn't been a spyware/adware spread on Linux. I don't have an Anti-Virus program running to eat all my ressources. I don't have to run Ad-Aware or Spybot Search & Destroy every week to make sure I'm clean. All I need is my hardware firewall (router) and I'm safe. Easy.

Security is a huge issue with Linux. Being open-sourced and free means that it's constantly updated whever a security hole is found. Windows, on the other hand, waits months to release an update. In Linux, all I have to do to get my latest security fixes is open up the update manager which displays itself every night with new fixed. Then I click "install" and it installs everything for me.

3. Linux is easy to use. Yeah, I said it. For years people have been saying that they don't use Linux because it's hard to get used to. Well, that's not true anymore. The distribution I use is called Ubuntu. Ubuntu looks a lot like Windows when you first boot up. The usability is there. You've got your start menu (application launcher), control panel (system/administration) and everything else Windows has. They're just named differently. I jumped right into Linux and I knew how to get things done.

Another cool thing about Linux is that you can update all of your installed software with one single command. sudo apt-get update. With that command, it'll check your repositories for any software updates (which are published often). If there's a new component to the software, it'll ask your permission to install it. You can bypass this with something like --assume-yes so it installs everything without asking.

Here are some of the Windows <-> Linux equivalents:

Internet Explorer <----------> No equivalent. It's a piece of crap and you're not required to have it, thank God.
Mozilla Firefox <----------> Mozilla Firefox/Swiftfox. Yep, we got it too.
Microsoft Office <----------> Open Office/Abiword(?)
Trillian (MSN, AIM, etc) <----------> Gaim
Outlook (Express) <----------> Mozilla Thunderbird / Evolution
Winamp <----------> XMMS
Windows Media Player <----------> MPlayer Movie Player

...the list goes on.

4. But Linux is unstable!
No it isn't. If you're using a stable release, you'll have no problems. One extremely awesome thing I can say first-hand about my experience with Linux, is I've yet to have it crash. Not a single time! No more blue screen of death or other video errors. Nothing.

However, there are two sides to the coin. Being open-sourced means that you have access to a lot of critical files. If you were to make the wrong modification to one of these critical files, you could seriously damage your install.

The solution? Backups.

Say I was editing my fstab file, the file that controls which hard drives, floppy drives and cdrom drives are mounted. I would simply make my backup with:
Code:
sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
This copies the ftab file and names it "fstab_backup". Then, I can proceed to edit my file:
Code:
sudo gedit /etc/fstab
Then I make my modifications, and save it. This file isn't critical, but let's pretend it is. Now, I try to restart my computer and nothing will load. "What the ******? Now I gotta reinstall everything, God damn it."

Wrong. One thing that Ubuntu comes with is a recovery console. No CD's needed. I just simply reboot, choose the recovery console, and then I'm presented with something that looks similar to MS-DOS (which was based off UNIX, by the way). So I see something on the screen like:

loke@x04d:~$

The ****** do I do with that? Easy. Just restore your file.
Code:
sudo cp /etc/fstab_backup /etc/fstab
This takes the back-up I made earlier and overwrites the file that I modified, putting everything back to normal.

Well, that's about all I can think of for those issues. I'll come up with more later. Editing with screenshots in a minute, and even a video clip.

Oh, another thing to add: No more messing with product keys or keygens/cracks. All open-sourced software is free, so you don't need to register and get a key to use it. You can even have a friend send it to you (even though it would be faster to just use apt-get).
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Screenshots
These are just some of my recent desktops. The image hasn't changed in some time, so a lot of them will be similar. I'm just posting what's on my server. Also note: lots of them aren't safe for work.

Screenshot #1
In this screenshot, you can see that I have my taskbars themed close to a Macintosh. Themes are easy to install and many are available. All free, no additional software required. The windows you see infront of the cat is my terminal. That's where I can issue commands to install or update software, run programs, edit text and web documents, movie files, browse the internet (yes, it's an internet browser too) and everything else you can do on your computer.

It's also transparent, which means I can put my terminal ontop of instructions and read and type at the same time, no alt+tabbing if I don't want to. Also, you can see some huge icons. Ubuntu has a built in feature that lets you stretch icons. I like it.

Screenshot #2
Basically the same thing, but a different theme. Boring, too. I've got XMMS running, which I can skin to make it look like Winamp.

Screenshot #3
Same thing, different skin for XMMS

Screenshot #4
I'm actually editing a text document IN my terminal. Beep Media Player on the right, looks like XMMS (same skins work on all the applications).

Screenshot #5
I like this one because it shows off Compiz. With Compiz, I can stretch and movie windows. In this screenshot, I grabbed the bottom corner and moved it to the top, letting me see my desktop! I'll explain Compiz and show you more examples (video) further down.

Screenshot #6
I'm performing a Google search using my terminal as a browser. Pretty cool if you ask me.

Screenshot #7
Another example of transparent terminal, showing my computer specs (not too good).

XGL/Compiz
What is XGL?
Xgl is an X server started by David Reveman architecture layered on top of OpenGL via glitz. As of February 2005, it is at an early stage in development and a number of important pieces are still missing. Xglx is the only server yet that uses this architecture. It requires an already existing X server with GLX to run on top of, and is only intended for testing and development. In the future, Xgl is not intended to be run on top of an existing X server.
Source

I've found a video that shows what XGL is capable of, and I can attest to the fact that all of these features are easy to use, and they're just amazing to play with. In addition to the eye candy, XGL offers a performance boost, because your video card is being used to make all this work, rather than your processor.

Video
 

EagleKeeper

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Being a professional S/w developer, much depends on what the client prefers.


For the clients, it is about 50/50. Much depends on their product and the cost for the Windows related OS if it is required to be distributed.

Most of my Linux clients also have a Windows station for their developers for office/non-developmental use. Some will run open source on those systems; others run MS/Lotus S/W.

As long as the tools are provided by the client to meet their developmental environment requirements (if I do nto have those tools); I can work within either environment. The Linux environment (for me) takes time to get reaquainted if I have been off it or working in a different development flavor.

Windows is used for home and my own office.
 

Nothinman

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However, there are two sides to the coin. Being open-sourced means that you have access to a lot of critical files. If you were to make the wrong modification to one of these critical files, you could seriously damage your install.

The fact that it's OSS has nothing to do with that, one could just as easily mis-edit their registry and cause Windows not to boot. But in the Windows case it's a lot more difficult to fix.

Wrong. One thing that Ubuntu comes with is a recovery console. No CD's needed. I just simply reboot, choose the recovery console, and then I'm presented with something that looks similar to MS-DOS (which was based off UNIX, by the way). So I see something on the screen like:

I'm not sure how the recovery portion of Ubuntu works but in your example it might be just as broken, depending on how bad you messed up your fstab. But the worst case just requires a LiveCD which the newest Ubuntu CD is already. And I don't believe DOS has any roots in unix.
 

TheVrolok

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I'd switch to Linux permanently if I could get better game support. I miss my Enlightenment DR17 desktop.. mmmm sexy. But even with WineX (or whatever transgaming is calling it now) the games still don't run AS WELL as they do in Windows. Now, if you're playing an older game that isn't too taxing on the hardware you might not notice. But if you're playing a game that is decently taxing on your current hardware in Windows, it'll run a bit worse in Linux. Sad but true. The moment that changes, I'm sold.
 

Nothinman

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But even with WineX (or whatever transgaming is calling it now) the games still don't run AS WELL as they do in Windows.

Depends on the game, for instance I know people who've said that WoW runs exactly the same or better under cedega.
 
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Originally posted by: Nothinman
However, there are two sides to the coin. Being open-sourced means that you have access to a lot of critical files. If you were to make the wrong modification to one of these critical files, you could seriously damage your install.

The fact that it's OSS has nothing to do with that, one could just as easily mis-edit their registry and cause Windows not to boot. But in the Windows case it's a lot more difficult to fix.

Wrong. One thing that Ubuntu comes with is a recovery console. No CD's needed. I just simply reboot, choose the recovery console, and then I'm presented with something that looks similar to MS-DOS (which was based off UNIX, by the way). So I see something on the screen like:

I'm not sure how the recovery portion of Ubuntu works but in your example it might be just as broken, depending on how bad you messed up your fstab. But the worst case just requires a LiveCD which the newest Ubuntu CD is already. And I don't believe DOS has any roots in unix.

I'll look into that.

Thanks!
 

sourceninja

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I'd switch to Linux permanently if I could get better game support. I miss my Enlightenment DR17 desktop.. mmmm sexy. But even with WineX (or whatever transgaming is calling it now) the games still don't run AS WELL as they do in Windows. Now, if you're playing an older game that isn't too taxing on the hardware you might not notice. But if you're playing a game that is decently taxing on your current hardware in Windows, it'll run a bit worse in Linux. Sad but true. The moment that changes, I'm sold.

A have quite a few high end games that run better in linux then windows. Of course I dont play many games, Ut2004, quake 4, battle for wesnoth, battlefield 2, Guild wars, starcraft, oblivion, hitman blood money, and a few others.

Of all these games, only battlefield 2 and hitman need windows to run. I only need windows because BF2 still has some punkbuster problems, and hitman doenst' seem to work in cedega. (Although I'm going to try wine with dx9 tonight).

Of course I'm getting into more open source games like fs2 open (freespace 2 revamped with new graphics, mods, and updated engine), exult, and others.
 
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I need to use VMWare to run Startcraft with the antihack launcher (PenguinPlug). Is there an alternative that you know of?
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
But even with WineX (or whatever transgaming is calling it now) the games still don't run AS WELL as they do in Windows.

Depends on the game, for instance I know people who've said that WoW runs exactly the same or better under cedega.


I used to play WoW under Ubuntu with Cedega. It runs great, undistinguishable from XP.
 

sourceninja

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Originally posted by: LoKe
I need to use VMWare to run Startcraft with the antihack launcher (PenguinPlug). Is there an alternative that you know of?

I run starcraft under cedega.
 
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Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: LoKe
I need to use VMWare to run Startcraft with the antihack launcher (PenguinPlug). Is there an alternative that you know of?

I run starcraft under cedega.

Would an anti-hack program work under Cedega? I installed it, but it spits out errors. If I knew it would work, I would spend the time to fix it.
 

notfred

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If you want to play windows games, run windows. Spending a bunch of time and effort to get windows software running under linux is pointless. It's like saying "Hey, I bet I could modify my corvette so I could take it offroading!". Yeah, you *could*... or you could just buy a damn jeep in the first place.

I have both windows and linux machines. I run windows because games, IE (for web development), Quicktime, Photoshop, etc run under it. I run linux because it comes with a lot of other stuff I like better than on windows. If you have more than one job to do, it do makes sense to have more than one tool to do them with.
 
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The only game I play is Starcraft, and I play it rarely. I'm not running a complete operating system, as well as spend time rebooting just to play Starcraft. =D!
 

Atheus

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Way more people run both OSs than run just Linux. They will click 'Linux' when pushed.

Way more Linux users than Windows users will click on this thread.

In reality Linux accounts only for some 2% of the installed userbase.