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Windows vista has no 16-bit support at all?

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Thats true isnt it?

So im right in thinking that a hell of a lot of my games made back when 98/ME were king will not work on vista?

Red alert 2
Alpha centauri
Red alert 1
Simcity 3k?
starcraft
STARCRAFT!!!
did i say starcraft?
half life 1

Will any of these work?? Theyre all pretty old, XP was in its infancy when most were released i believe. Yea i know its not released and nothings certain blah blah, but surely they cant just make it so these games wont work.

Could a patch fix this? Or an emulator?
 
The installers might not run but the games themselves should be fine, I can't imagine any of them are 16-bit apps.

but surely they cant just make it so these games wont work.
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Yes, they can. It's called progress.
 
i think vista will include some sort of "virtual pc" to run legacy apps...i remember reading that recently somewhere.
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You're probably thinking of WoW or Windows on Windows. It's the emulation layer used on Win32 to run 16-bit apps and Win64 to run 32-bit apps. It's nowhere near as heavy as VPC and usually gets the job done.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
i think vista will include some sort of "virtual pc" to run legacy apps...i remember reading that recently somewhere.
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You're probably thinking of WoW or Windows on Windows. It's the emulation layer used on Win32 to run 16-bit apps and Win64 to run 32-bit apps. It's nowhere near as heavy as VPC and usually gets the job done.
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"great scott!!!!"

you're absolutely right...lol, thanks for jogging my mind!
 
Originally posted by: Soviet
Thats true isnt it?

So im right in thinking that a hell of a lot of my games made back when 98/ME were king will not work on vista?

Red alert 2
Alpha centauri
Red alert 1
Simcity 3k?
starcraft
STARCRAFT!!!
did i say starcraft?
half life 1

Will any of these work?? Theyre all pretty old, XP was in its infancy when most were released i believe. Yea i know its not released and nothings certain blah blah, but surely they cant just make it so these games wont work.

Could a patch fix this? Or an emulator?
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I've already had to give up some of my old favorites because they simply wouldn't run quite right (or at all) on XP without more time and work than I cared for. I won't be sad when I might be forced to give up some more. Besides, just as how the upgrade to XP caused problems with old games, I had fun building an old system just for old games running Windows 98. I probably won't have to build or scrounge up an "old" system for any games XP can run, I'll most likely keep an "old" XP system running for quite some time with my newer system(s) running Vista.
 
From what i can remember, The Enterprise version of Vista will include a license for 1 Virtual PC to run legacy apps.
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Even if that's true VPC doesn't support hardware accellerated 3D last I checked and even for software rendered games it'll be slow enough to be annoying at best.
 
You could also dual boot between XP and Vista for those handful of games you want to run that require XP.

Personally, I won't be 'upgrading' to Vista for at least a year after its release. Software compatibility aside, its DRM makes me nervous and there will be workarounds or outright cracks for it before I upgrade to it. Note, this does not mean I will pirate Vista, I intend to buy Vista if and when I decide its necessary to run it, there's just certain 'features' that I want under my control and not MS/MPAA/RIAA control.
 
Software compatibility aside, its DRM makes me nervous and there will be workarounds or outright cracks for it before I upgrade to it. Note, this does not mean I will pirate Vista, I intend to buy Vista if and when I decide its necessary to run it, there's just certain 'features' that I want under my control and not MS/MPAA/RIAA control.
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The DRM issues will apply to XP too, you'll just be limiting yourself more since there will likely be some things that won't be available on XP.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Software compatibility aside, its DRM makes me nervous and there will be workarounds or outright cracks for it before I upgrade to it. Note, this does not mean I will pirate Vista, I intend to buy Vista if and when I decide its necessary to run it, there's just certain 'features' that I want under my control and not MS/MPAA/RIAA control.
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The DRM issues will apply to XP too, you'll just be limiting yourself more since there will likely be some things that won't be available on XP.
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Time will tell. I'll stick with the evil I know for the time being. 😛
 
If DRM is a big enough thorn in my side ill dual boot linux and use it for things XP/Vista wont let me do. Meaning ill have to tripple boot vista(new games)/XP(old games)/linux(anti DRM stuff). Screw that, thats bullcrap! I dont wanna have to give up red alert 2 or starcraft (korean national sport!!) Just because somone decided its time to pull the plug on legacy apps. They NEED some kind of legacy support, whether its a sh!t slow emulator or w/e they need somthing!! No wonder PC gaming is dying.
 
Originally posted by: Soviet
If DRM is a big enough thorn in my side ill dual boot linux and use it for things XP/Vista wont let me do. Meaning ill have to tripple boot vista(new games)/XP(old games)/linux(anti DRM stuff). Screw that, thats bullcrap! I dont wanna have to give up red alert 2 or starcraft (korean national sport!!) Just because somone decided its time to pull the plug on legacy apps. They NEED some kind of legacy support, whether its a sh!t slow emulator or w/e they need somthing!! No wonder PC gaming is dying.
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Soviet strong words, and I agree with u full heartedly.
 
Originally posted by: potato28
Originally posted by: Soviet
If DRM is a big enough thorn in my side ill dual boot linux and use it for things XP/Vista wont let me do. Meaning ill have to tripple boot vista(new games)/XP(old games)/linux(anti DRM stuff). Screw that, thats bullcrap! I dont wanna have to give up red alert 2 or starcraft (korean national sport!!) Just because somone decided its time to pull the plug on legacy apps. They NEED some kind of legacy support, whether its a sh!t slow emulator or w/e they need somthing!! No wonder PC gaming is dying.
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Soviet strong words, and I agree with u full heartedly.
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Nicely said fellow mongoose! 😀
 
If DRM is a big enough thorn in my side ill dual boot linux and use it for things XP/Vista wont let me do.
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Chances are that Linux won't let you do them either. At least with respect to playing encrypted media that the MPAA/RIAA requires you to have a license.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
If DRM is a big enough thorn in my side ill dual boot linux and use it for things XP/Vista wont let me do.
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Chances are that Linux won't let you do them either. At least with respect to playing encrypted media that the MPAA/RIAA requires you to have a license.
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I wish people would understand this. Everyone thinks vista is bad because of the DRM. If MS didnt put it in there no one would be watching protected content.

 
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
Originally posted by: Nothinman
If DRM is a big enough thorn in my side ill dual boot linux and use it for things XP/Vista wont let me do.
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Chances are that Linux won't let you do them either. At least with respect to playing encrypted media that the MPAA/RIAA requires you to have a license.
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I wish people would understand this. Everyone thinks vista is bad because of the DRM. If MS didnt put it in there no one would be watching protected content.
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Yeah, cause no one watches DVDs on linux. :roll:
 
I wish people would understand this. Everyone thinks vista is bad because of the DRM. If MS didnt put it in there no one would be watching protected content.
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And the flip side of that is that if MS didn't support it, it wouldn't go anywhere. Sure some of them would invent their own DRM systems and install them behind your back like Sony, but it would be a clusterf*ck and wouldn't work nearly as well as it will.

Yeah, cause no one watches DVDs on linux.
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DVD encryption is extremely weak and Jon got lucky when he was writing DeCSS in that he got one of they keys unencrypted from some DVD player software, after that it was trivial to write a CSS key generator since the encryption is so bad. You think they haven't learned anything from that?

Can you play an encrypted WMV or WMA on Linux? That's a genuine question since I don't have any.
 
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