Windows Vista beta 2 gets reviewed by Chris Pirillo at the request of Jim Allchin

Smilin

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That is the worse review I've ever read. There are a few useful items in the review but these are completely lost in a pile of useless nitpicking and "filler" as the author tried to compile the biggest list he could.

Some of it shows a lack of understanding:
UAC should detect when I, as a user, have told it more than 5x that it?s okay to launch into a particular dialog. This could possibly be a toggle for power users somewhere, but not available for the average user.
UAC does not pay attention to what dialog you are launching, it pays attention to when admin level security is needed. If you open computer managment 5x then don't get prompted on the 6th, what happens when some app decides to use the same privleges and install MaliciousFilterDriver.sys ?? Also, you CAN disable UAC prompting for some apps or altogether. Of course this won't help grandma when she double clicks that virus again.


Some of it is nitpicky:
Safely Remove Hardware dialog is in Microsoft Sans Serif.


Some of it is unimportant:
Can?t you make the default screen saver something a little more exciting than the jumping Windows Vista logo?


Some of it is stupid:
What if I don?t like the red ?X? close button? Why can?t I change that to? purple?


The guy did not point out anything important that needs fixed. Like the fact there is no easy way to switch from the Strong host model to the more traditional Weak host model. Might come in handy on those multihomed boxes. Instead of putting together a bitch list why doesn't he go enroll in beta and actually submit some bugs?
 

stash

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Instead of putting together a bitch list why doesn't he go enroll in beta and actually submit some bugs?
It's much easier for people to install a beta and whine and complain than to actually do work and file bugs. Doing these public betas is a double edged sword. People get a chance to take part in the build process like never before, but many of those people have no idea what is involved with writing an OS for half a billion people.
 

13Gigatons

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Considering how long Microsoft has had to work on this OS you think it would be the most polish OS in the history of OSes but instead it's Microsoft just slapping it together with duct tape and whatever and pushing it out the door to meet some deadline they have set.

By the way this guy was asked to go over Vista and nit pick it and he did.

Microsoft should spend the next 12 months on Vista and produce their very best OS ever instead of spending the next 6 months just trying to get it out the door.
 

Seeruk

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It's not exactly a review, more a proofreading

I am still not happy enough with Vista to run it as my Primary desktop, but the improvements in Beta 2 over 5381 are ENORMOUS.

The UAC is a bit too overzealous at the moment, it should be more like a sudo session in *nix where an allow command essentially starts a 10 minute superuser session at the end of which it returns to a restricted account. But I suppose this would open up an opportunity for abuse.
 

13Gigatons

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They should release a R1 version in October 2006 and then spend the next 6 to 12 months working on a R2 version. That way they profit and get time to improve the product.
 

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Considering how long Microsoft has had to work on this OS you think it would be the most polish OS in the history of OSes but instead it's Microsoft just slapping it together with duct tape and whatever and pushing it out the door to meet some deadline they have set.

It's already been delayed multiple times, if MS was only concerned about meeting deadlines it would have been released a long time ago.

Microsoft should spend the next 12 months on Vista and produce their very best OS ever instead of spending the next 6 months just trying to get it out the door.

Aren't those two things inclusive?

The UAC is a bit too overzealous at the moment, it should be more like a sudo session in *nix where an allow command essentially starts a 10 minute superuser session at the end of which it returns to a restricted account. But I suppose this would open up an opportunity for abuse.

It would, but that's the problem with balancing security with convenience. Everyone has differing opinions on where that happy medium is, although I can say that if UAC prompted me for every little thing I would get annoyed very quickly and start looking for a way to turn it off completely.

They should release a R1 version in October 2006 and then spend the next 6 to 12 months working on a R2 version. That way they profit and get time to improve the product.

You should apply for a Windows release manager job at MS since you obviously have everything figured out already.