Windows ME movie maker requires Video for Windows. Thank you ATI

[NicColt]

Windows movie maker requires VfW but on orders from Microsoft the Radeon only includes DirectShow. Even microsoft's own software dosn't use it. Thank you ATI you dumasses.

Nic

 

[oldfart]

Do you find it odd that you are the only guy who cares about this?

 

[Taz4158]

But judging by the daily posts that noone seems to respond to he must REALLY care.

 

[NicColt]

On rage3d some post's get 0 reply but are read over 300 times, I don't care less about the number of reply's. If your not interested in this, then fine let it go, don't even bother reading my post's. When someone screws me out of my hard earned money I do care. If this information will help others into making informed decisions about there future capture cards, on what they are really getting or why they're having problems, then that's all I care about.

The other point is, that no one can disprove that ATI are misleading and releasing false information. If anyone can prove otherwise, I will offer my full appologies as to my ignorance on the subject.

According to this press release, it says that WindowsME Movie Maker and the ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON are a "perfect match" and "provides the ideal video editing system" and "enhanced support for NetMeeting" How can ATI claim this while all Radeon's only include support for DirectShow and do not include support for "Video for Windows" which is REQUIRED for WindowsME Movie Maker, NetMeeting, Windows Media Encoer 7 and every other software out there in the computer world that requires VfW. These software, according to this press release are a perfect match, but in fact they will never work with Radeon's unless ATI releases VfW support.

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TORONTO, Sept. 14 /CNW/ - ATI Technologies Inc. (TSE: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) announced today that all current shipping products, including mobile and desktop, support the new Windows(R) Me operating system, an upgrade to Windows(R) 98SE for home users announced today by Microsoft.

Many of the multimedia features of ATI products, including video editing, become enhanced visual experiences with Windows Me.

ATI's newest generation chip, the RADEON(TM), and all RADEON products
ship with Windows Me drivers included. ATI anticipates that all new products will also ship with the Windows Me driver.

Windows Me video-in/out and Movie Maker features a perfect match for ATI's video editing solutions. A key feature to Windows Me is support for video in and video out, allowing users to import and export video. With Windows Me, RADEON 64MB DDR and ATI's RAGE FURY PRO(TM), ATI's top graphics cards with video capture, and ATI's multimedia products, such as ALL-IN-WONDER(R) RADEON(TM) and ALL IN WONDER 128 PRO(TM) combination TV tuner, video capture, video out and graphics
board, and ATI TV Wonder TV tuner products, already equipped with video in/out capabilities, will produce the clearest video images ever achieved on a PC screen or TV set.

The Windows Me Movie Maker feature, combined with RADEON 64 DDR, ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON, ALL IN WONDER 128 PRO, RAGE FURY PRO or TV WONDER products, provides the ideal video editing system. With ALL-IN-WONDER or TV WONDER, video images can be imported from camcorders, TV broadcasts, video tape or compact disks and edited into presentations or home videos.

ATI and Windows Me takes Web and Internet communication to the next level Windows Me boasts enhanced support for ... NetMeeting. ATI's video capable board products, including RAGE FURY PRO, RADEON 64MB DDR, ALL-IN-WONDER and TV WONDER, are ideal NetMeeting and video conferencing enablers, providing top quality images and the ability to conduct "face-to-face" meetings in a window in the screen while performing other tasks on the computer.
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[RobsTV]

I have been reading a lot of theses posts.
When someone inquires about a card with capture, I see a lot of Radeon owners recommending the AIW. Rarely does anyone seem to mention problems with capture. This type of thread does help to inform buyers of any potential problems they may encounter before making a purchase.

I have yet to see any Radeon owners give NicColt a work around for his problem.

Is this a legit problem that needs to be fixed?
Does this affect only certain operating systems??
Is this a driver issue (fixable?), or an unfixable hardware flaw?
Or, is this simply a preference issue, and sure 1 thing may not work, but dozens still do????

If I paid that kind of money, I would at least expect it to work with all of MS products. Heck, even a $20 capture card will do that.

 

[Compellor]

<< The Windows Me Movie Maker feature, combined with RADEON 64 DDR, ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON, ALL IN WONDER 128 PRO, RAGE FURY PRO or TV WONDER products, provides the ideal video editing system. With ALL-IN-WONDER or TV WONDER, video images can be imported from camcorders, TV broadcasts, video tape or compact disks and edited into presentations or home videos. >>


I had an ATi TV-Wonder, and is was the most worthless POS I ever bought. Broken drivers right out of the box! Support for it was terrible, and judging by the other number of users (on Rage Underground forums) that were having trouble with it, it wasn't what some &quot;people&quot; here would call an isolated incident. Numerous complaints over on those forums, and the guy that runs the website (LightSpeed) had to make his own drivers for it so it would work! He even made them available for download.

No VFW support? Hahahahahaha! What's new?

If I were you, I'd either send it back and get a Matrox Marvel 400TV, or get a seperate PCI TV tuner card. I wouldn't wait for ATi to fix it.

 

[oldfart]

<< Windows movie maker requires VfW but on orders from Microsoft the Radeon only includes DirectShow. Even Microsoft's own software doesn't use it. Thank you ATI you dumasses >>



Ok, I'll admit I don't understand the issue, since I don't use those features. Is this a issue caused by Microsoft or ATI? Is it a ME/2000 only or also SE issue? Is this a function that MS won't allow to be implemented, or does ATI choose not to, or is it just broken?

 

[SleepyGuy]

Users do care... well i do, about the AIW no having VFW support out the box, and never will. I would like the thank Nicolt bring this issue up. What the hell is a AIW Radeon, a card that cost $500 Canadian, not having VFW while other cheap ass capture cards do, that is ridiculous! BTW, Nicolt, i love the title on one of the Rage3D forums... All-in-Blunder Radeon, hilarious! Peace out.

 

[SleepyGuy]

whoops sorry i spelled NicColt wrong. no disrespect man.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

I think it's a legitimate concern he has, but just one that doesn't affect many people. I have a geforce2 in my current system and will be getting a Radeon this weekend for my new machine. This information doesn't concern me, but there is nothing wrong with mentioning it in case somebody else out there might need to know.

Now the horrible 2D quality of Nvidia cards, that's something that affects a lot of folks including me, and you hear more about it.

 

[RobsTV]

Correction.
Only some cards with nVidia chips cards have good 2d. (Creative and Asus are the worst)
Others like Visiontek and Elsa have GREAT 2d.
You don't need to take anyone's word here. Just check out the reviews, and think...
Like a company really could sell a card for the Windows 2d systems that was horrible, and still be #1??? right.... That makes a lot of sense. Nonsense that is...

 

[Compellor]

I second that, RobsTV. I'm very happy with the 2D on my Visiontek GTS.

 

[Taz4158]

<< Others like Visiontek and Elsa have GREAT 2d. >>


Well I certainly have to disagree with you here. I've owned both those brands of GTS and in no way were they even close to the Radeon OR the Matrox abouve 1024.


<< Like a company really could sell a card for the Windows 2d systems that was horrible, and still be #1??? right >>


Well they've been doing it for quite a while now. I thought my 2D was great until I switched and then I couldn't believe what I had put up with. It's what you get used to and I'm DEFINITELY not alone in the opininion even reviewers are now stating it as fact. Not trying to start an argument here as I feel most of your opinions and posts are well considered.

 

[pidge]

I'd say above 1280x1024 is where the difference starts kicking in. But I only use 1280x1024 so the Geforce 2 Pro is perfect for me.

 

[NicColt]

According to Microsoft &quot;Applications that use the Video for Windows 1.1 (VFW) interfaces also use drivers that conform to the VfW 1.1 driver interfaces&quot;

VfW is not a software that Microsoft makes, it's a dirver interface that capture card companies make that conforms to the VfW 1.1 mapper that microsoft recommends for use with their OS.

The point is that according to the press release they knew that the Radeon's would only include DirectShow but to save face and mislead people into buying their cards they released false information saying that WindowsME was a perfect match. I can't get anything from phone support, I sent this to their press representative and no reply.

What will be interesting to see is, that according to what I know, windowsXP also has VfW support for Movie Maker and NetMeeting. I would like to see if ATI also releases a similar press release telling that Radeon's are a perfect match for XP knowing full well it isn't.

All I want out of my $385Cdn capture card are the promises that were made to me by this press release and the same exact same support that the AIW-128 had for VfW so that I can use every video capture software that is standard in the computer world like NetMeeting, Movie Maker, direct VirtualDub captures, AVI-IO which is one of the best.

The question remains. Why in the world would they not release VfW support on a major card like this and make it compatible with the rest of the computer world is beyond me.

 

[Compellor]

<< All I want out of my $385Cdn capture card are the promises that were made to me by this press release and the same exact same support that the AIW-128 had for VfW so that I can use every video capture software that is standard in the computer world like NetMeeting, Movie Maker, direct VirtualDub captures, AVI-IO which is one of the best.

The question remains. Why in the world would they not release VfW support on a major card like this and make it compatible with the rest of the computer world is beyond me. >>



ATi promised Windows 2000 drivers for the Rage Fury Maxx, but never delivered. Maybe they considered VFW an outdated application, or maybe it wasn't backwards compatible with the newer Radeon hardware. It's rediculous.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

Sorry RobsTV, but you are wrong. I had 2 Visiontek cards and they were horrible. Most Nvidia cards are indeed horrible at 2D. The reason you might feel otherwise is because you haven't seen how good other cards look. It's understandable I guess.

 

[RobsTV]

TheTrueEqualizer Welcome to Anandtech. 45 posts in your first week is impressive.
Your PM's are getting a bit anoying though. Please start a new thread if you wish to discuss the nvidia's 2d. And thanks for the low user rating. That WAS impressive.

Your post in &quot;which GF2 to get?&quot; thread sums up your GF2 knowledge rather nicely. TheTrueEqualizer said: &quot;&quot;We all know the 2D on geforce cards is not very good to begin with, but the Visiontek is even worse than the rest. Saving a few dollars by purchasing an &quot;off&quot; brand like Visiontek is not worth it. Stick with Creative, Leadtek (which I have now), or Asus.&quot;&quot;

Now that's a first. Calling Visiontek an off brand, and saying it has the worst 2d, which would of course mean Elsa has the worst 2d, yet the Elsa is the #1 reanked GF2 card in every review, and places above Creative, Leadtek, and Asus. At least learn a little about a product before you make off the wall comments.

Taz said it best &quot;I thought my 2D was great until I switched and then I couldn't believe what I had put up with.&quot; I'm sure the nVidia card was not his first card, so compared to other cards he had seen, he thought the nVidia card was &quot;great&quot;. But, then he found a card that looks better to him. Some here may say certain nVidia cards have horrible 2d compared to ATI, but to say a general all nVidia cards are horrible is bull, as Taz even stated. Every major review site (Anandtech, Sharky's, Tom's, etc.), that compared modern cards, have said the nVidia card has good 2d, but not as good as ATI. They also said the Elsa/Visiontek cards were even better than the other good nVidia cards.

I thought this thread was about a potential problem with ATI's capture?
Why bring up a non-related issue, that has nothing to do with this thread. We could argue this non-related issue for days, but why do it in this thread. Unless of course you have some personal vendeta against Visiontek nvidia cards. There are plenty of nvidia threads that you can troll in, but at least try to stick to the threads subject...

For me, this non-related subject in this thread is closed. You want to talk about it, start a new thread. Sorry to crap in your thread NicColt.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

I recieved a personal message from RobsTV telling me it must be &quot;User Error&quot; since 3 or 4 other people in another thread had no problems with their Visiontek cards. Well, I can say that there are more people that that just at my office who have returned Visiontek cards because of the horrid 2D quality. So maybe some Visiontek are better than others, just like Nvidia cards in general when it comes to 2D. Some are decent (if you get lucky I guess), and most are not very good when compared to other cards like Matrox and ATI.

His comment in the personal message was rude and insulting but I'm used to that in forums. What's weird is that apparently nobody can say anything about any card without someone calling them a liar or making some kind of insult. What the hell is going on? Is your manhood judged by the video card you have these days? Do you defend you Mother with the same passion as your video card?

Sheesh!

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

As anyone can plainly see, my first comment was actually in support of the guy who started this thread, because some were giving him a hard time. I made an innocent reference to the 2D quality of Nvidia cards as an example. And then it was RobsTV who decided that somehow it was an insult and he should swoop in like Mighty Mouse and save the day.

Really man, get a life!

 

[Compellor]

<< What's weird is that apparently nobody can say anything about any card without someone calling them a liar or making some kind of insult. >>


Very true. But, to some people, it's an insult to them when somebody makes a comment about &quot;bad drivers&quot; or &quot;poor 2D&quot; on their favorite brand of video card. They fear you may be misleading others here who are planning on buying their next video card. They believe from their own experiences--with the video card(s) they're currently using--that nothing could be wrong with it because they aren't having the same problems.

Say something bad about ATi's driver support and it's a sure bet someone will blast you for even mentioning it. Same goes for nVidia's poor 2D quality or any other negative comment. What kills me are the people that say that if I've never &quot;owned&quot; a certain brand/type of video card, how could I know anything? They'll sometimes claim you're &quot;crapping&quot; on a product, regardless of what you said (sometimes I wonder if people are actually reading these threads, or just trolling). Now, at the same time, when they claim there is no problem with their video card, but someone else is having a problem with it, it's his or her fault. Total hypocrisy.