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stash

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Originally posted by: timswim78
Originally posted by: stash
Uh the CTP is build 1371.

OK, where can I find my build number? My desktop says build 3790, my WHS console says 6.0.1301.0, and My Computer says v.4035.

3790 is the Windows build (2003), I believe the WHS console one is the one you want.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
How would/does this beast integrate into a Windows domain? I'm running a small domain at home and would prefer not to break it, but I just got into the beta and this thing has some interesting features.
Just use the same credentials when setting up the user accounts on the WHS as your domain credentials. You'll have to change them whenever your domain credentials change, of course, but it's better than risking breaking your WHS features by making it a member server.
 

Homerboy

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woooohooo! Just got my invite last night. Started the dload and went to bed. will build up the rig this weekend.
Just a few quick questions for those currently running it...

I've been going through the documentation thus far and one thing stuck out to me:

Caution
Your hard drive will be formatted when it is added to your server storage. Make sure that you copy any files that you want to save from the hard drive before adding it to your server storage.


Ummm that scares me a bit. I have my primary HDD (40GB) and about 1TB in SATA drives (3) that I planned on plugging in. Does that mean all the data on those 3 additional storage drives is going to be wiped out?

 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
woooohooo! Just got my invite last night. Started the dload and went to bed. will build up the rig this weekend.
Just a few quick questions for those currently running it...

I've been going through the documentation thus far and one thing stuck out to me:

Caution
Your hard drive will be formatted when it is added to your server storage. Make sure that you copy any files that you want to save from the hard drive before adding it to your server storage.


Ummm that scares me a bit. I have my primary HDD (40GB) and about 1TB in SATA drives (3) that I planned on plugging in. Does that mean all the data on those 3 additional storage drives is going to be wiped out?
Yes, you have to start from scratch.
 

Homerboy

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Yes, you have to start from scratch.

ugh... thats a serious problem for me then.

is the 80GB HDD0 required too or is a 40GB enough?

Edit: Let me expand on the "starting clean" issue some too. I'm assuming this is simply working as a software RAID setup then correct? On the same note I assume then that is dynamically expandable. Meaning I start with 1x250GB (D:) which would really only net me 125GB of storage? Then I add another 250GB which would give me another 125GBof storage? Trying to figure a way to ween my HDDs into the set up and not lose data.

Edit #2: Reading up more now (hey its Friday at work...) Seems that it isnt "RAID" exactly its just lumping all the individual HDDs into 1 array, but whereas with a RAID array if 1 disk fails th entire array fails, WHS just loses the data on that 1 drive and the rest continue on their merry way. If I can dynamically add disks, which it seems I should be able to, then I can do a little shuffling of my data around from HDD to HDD (and external HDD) to 1 by 1 add each HDD to the WHS setup eventually getting all my space and content on the WHS without losing anything.
 

timswim78

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Originally posted by: stash
Originally posted by: timswim78
Originally posted by: stash
Uh the CTP is build 1371.

OK, where can I find my build number? My desktop says build 3790, my WHS console says 6.0.1301.0, and My Computer says v.4035.

3790 is the Windows build (2003), I believe the WHS console one is the one you want.

Cool thanks.

I downloaded the CTP last night. The installation and console are much more polished than previous versions.

I really like how the CTP integrates Windows Live into the domain process.
 

Homerboy

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been playing with WHS all weekend long (well more like juggling 1.5TB of data around on HDDs to get it all moved to that physical machine) but also toying with all the features at such. VERY IMPRESSED.
 

Trashman

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I have to agree, I re-installed with the latest version, past version had so much trouble, this one, not one issue at all, all 3 machines were connected, in no time.
Impressed as well.
 

loup garou

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RC is out today for those participating. I was super excited when I saw I had an email from Connect. I thought it was regarding another beta I applied for which I hope starts really freaking soon. :|
 

Homerboy

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yeah sadly you gotta start from scratch and rebuild all your pools
I got A LOT of data shuffling to do now :(
 

Hurricane Andrew

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Man. I need to set up a second server. Right now my home network consists of two dual booting PC's and a server. I just got done setting up Longhorn on my server box a few weeks ago, and as much as I enjoyed the WHS testing, I'm not about to rebuild my setup yet again.

Maybe a second server box running WHS, so that the primary boot OS's would still be running on the Longhorn box, and the alternate boots could run off the WHS server. Who am I kidding....

a) I don't have the time and
b) with Summer, my "office" is already way to warm :frown:
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: loup garou
RC is out today for those participating. I was super excited when I saw I had an email from Connect. I thought it was regarding another beta I applied for which I hope starts really freaking soon. :|


Dang it, I was hoping I'd get in on the RC1 beta. Maybe they got mad that I signed up more than once. ;)
 

BD2003

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It looks interesting, but I just can't dedicate another whole machine just to a server. Right now my setup is 1 PC, 1 Laptop, 1 HTPC/Server.

The HTPC/Server handles torrents, skype, backup (I use synctoy nightly to push it onto the server from the PC), Mediaportal for movies/music, and GameEx for emulators. Right now it's pretty simple - music/pics/docs from my PC is mirrored to the server, movies stay on the server only. I use VNC to connect to it.

How crippled is the actual underlying OS? Would I be able to install WHS on the HTPC, and then further install utorrent, skype, mediaportal and gamex underneath it?

Also, how well does it work with PCs that are asleep? Does it require the PCs to be backed up from to be on all night? I already leave the HTPC on all night, but I really prefer to put my main PC to sleep when I'm at work or asleep - I just use a batch file that launches the backup prog and then puts it to sleep before I go to sleep.

Also, how much RAM does the client use up on PCs, and how much memory does the server take up on idle vs. Vista/XP?

Basically theres a few features I need it to have before I can consider using it:
1. Can wake a PC up and then put it back to sleep automatically to perform the backup.
2. Can wake a PC up to access it remotely. (I can sleep it myself)
3. Can set only certain folders to be duplicated. (I really dont need HD movies or downloads duplicated.)
4. Backup will image and restore only the drives I specify on clients. (Really don't need games imaged, just a waste of space)
5. Still has a standard windows install underneath that can run windows programs such as skype, mediaportal and emus, and the "server" stuff stays in the background.
6. Can access its own OS remotely to manage torrents, etc (via VNC if necessary).
 

dclive

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Originally posted by: BD2003
It looks interesting, but I just can't dedicate another whole machine just to a server. Right now my setup is 1 PC, 1 Laptop, 1 HTPC/Server.

The HTPC/Server handles torrents, skype, backup (I use synctoy nightly to push it onto the server from the PC), Mediaportal for movies/music, and GameEx for emulators. Right now it's pretty simple - music/pics/docs from my PC is mirrored to the server, movies stay on the server only. I use VNC to connect to it.

How crippled is the actual underlying OS? Would I be able to install WHS on the HTPC, and then further install utorrent, skype, mediaportal and gamex underneath it?

Also, how well does it work with PCs that are asleep? Does it require the PCs to be backed up from to be on all night? I already leave the HTPC on all night, but I really prefer to put my main PC to sleep when I'm at work or asleep - I just use a batch file that launches the backup prog and then puts it to sleep before I go to sleep.

Also, how much RAM does the client use up on PCs, and how much memory does the server take up on idle vs. Vista/XP?

Basically theres a few features I need it to have before I can consider using it:
1. Can wake a PC up and then put it back to sleep automatically to perform the backup.
2. Can wake a PC up to access it remotely. (I can sleep it myself)
3. Can set only certain folders to be duplicated. (I really dont need HD movies or downloads duplicated.)
4. Backup will image and restore only the drives I specify on clients. (Really don't need games imaged, just a waste of space)
5. Still has a standard windows install underneath that can run windows programs such as skype, mediaportal and emus, and the "server" stuff stays in the background.
6. Can access its own OS remotely to manage torrents, etc (via VNC if necessary).

It's not crippled - it's Server 2003 sans domains (and some other controls), but you can easily install stuff to it. I'd imagine you could install that list of software to the PC.

Can't comment on the RAM - never found it to be significant.

Memory at idle is an interesting concept - the server's working from 12 to 6am, so I'd consider usage to be largely immaterial.

1. My laptops get backed up at night, so I believe it's got some brains to handle this, but I haven't researched or investigated.
2. Yes. There are plug-ins to do exactly this via WOL.
3. Yes, you can exclude folders as you wish.
4. Yes, only X drives are backed up, and you can exclude drives.
5. Still std. windows...
6. MSTSC works wonders for remote - VNC sucks. :)

 

loup garou

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Also for #6, I saw in the MS Connect forum someone created a torrent manager plugin for the console, pretty cool.
 

VirtualLarry

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This sounds like a really cool product. I've been wondering for years why some OS hasn't decoupled the physical (per-volume) filesystem, from the logical filesystem namespace. Sounds like this does JBOD, but on a filesystem level rather than on a physical volume level. Excellent!

I may have to reconsider my plans to build a 3xRAID5 (5x500GB) 6TB fileserver. Already bought the raid cards though, just today.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
This sounds like a really cool product. I've been wondering for years why some OS hasn't decoupled the physical (per-volume) filesystem, from the logical filesystem namespace. Sounds like this does JBOD, but on a filesystem level rather than on a physical volume level. Excellent!

I may have to reconsider my plans to build a 3xRAID5 (5x500GB) 6TB fileserver. Already bought the raid cards though, just today.

Im in the same boat, thinking of donating my current 12x500 NAS to this, however running RAID 6 since i like the fact I need to kill a few drives before I start losing data ;) The WHS version at best gives mirroring (although I think I like the fact that I can not mirror certain data and I have an easier upgrade path to swap those 500's for 1tbs one at a time...)
 

Homerboy

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just a fiar warning to those of you with large piles of data already (like myself)
WHS will wipe ANY pool drive clean on install. There can be no data on the drive(s) as you add them.
On that note, you can also add drives dynamically (USB or internal). So as your storage needs grow, you can just plug in a new HDD and it will automatically be added to the storage pool (but it will be formatted)
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
just a fiar warning to those of you with large piles of data already (like myself)
WHS will wipe ANY pool drive clean on install. There can be no data on the drive(s) as you add them.
On that note, you can also add drives dynamically (USB or internal). So as your storage needs grow, you can just plug in a new HDD and it will automatically be added to the storage pool (but it will be formatted)

Yeah, thats really my biggest issue right now. I have about 350gb of data spanned across two 250gb drives - I'd have a hell of a time moving all the data to just one drive, and then back to the other.
 

Homerboy

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Yeah, thats really my biggest issue right now. I have about 350gb of data spanned across two 250gb drives - I'd have a hell of a time moving all the data to just one drive, and then back to the other.

Umm that's easy :)
I had to do it with 2TB of data on the initial install and now I have to do it again with the RC1 release

Its not that bad really.
You install your HDD0 and install WHS which creates your C and D parts.
From there you empty out one of your existing HDDs onto the new WHS install. Once that HDD is empty install it into HDD1. Repeat with your next HDD.... and again and again.

It's tedious but it works.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
Yeah, thats really my biggest issue right now. I have about 350gb of data spanned across two 250gb drives - I'd have a hell of a time moving all the data to just one drive, and then back to the other.

Umm that's easy :)
I had to do it with 2TB of data on the initial install and now I have to do it again with the RC1 release

Its not that bad really.
You install your HDD0 and install WHS which creates your C and D parts.
From there you empty out one of your existing HDDs onto the new WHS install. Once that HDD is empty install it into HDD1. Repeat with your next HDD.... and again and again.

It's tedious but it works.

Right, but the only problem is that 350gb > 250gb. I couldnt squeeze it all onto one drive while I format the other...I'd need a spare, and I just dont have one.

But you had to do it all again for the RC? You couldnt just install the RC over the beta in it's windows partition? (Or does it not even partition it?)