Windows 9 for april (2015)

blankslate

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Well, not surprised since Win 8 even though it is fast and and an improvement on the Win 7 kernel has had fairly low adoption rates due to the UI (and more importantly a lack of a built in way to revert to an earlier UI).

The person who was the head of OS development when that decision was made has been gone from Microsoft for a while and his chief lieutenants are now also out of the OS department.

Regardless of whether you can get by without a start menu or you prefer it. The fact that one of the most discussed things about windows 8.x was start menu replacements probably not a welcome thing for people at MS.

Looks like the future path of Windows is better with options for the user to use a touch oriented UI or an older style mouse + keyboard UI based on their choice without having to get a start menu replacement.
 

PliotronX

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Working with this funny older gentleman who stands at probably 5'1" with a propensity to curse, he dubbed 8 the "Windows Shit Edition." Because of higherups wanting employees to learn their way around the Metro interface, I am not allowed to install Classic Shell for them and I feel bad about it.
 

fleshconsumed

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Meh... Windows 8.1 is perfectly fine with Classic Shell installed, in fact it's better than Win7 in every way. Bring on the Win9. The only downside to all of this is that with Microsoft Technet gone it's going to be a lot more costly to run newest microsoft software :( I just might have to stick with Win8.1 for a while, not that it is a bad thing...
 

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I will not be using windows 9


I'll be using Win9,10,11 etc..Same goes for Linux new distros too :) ,end of the day they are all operating systems and nothing rocket science about them.


I'm already bored with my Linux and Windows ,never know I might get a new OS down the road that does give me a challenge,no the start button menu missing does not count lol ...
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JimKiler

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Working with this funny older gentleman who stands at probably 5'1" with a propensity to curse, he dubbed 8 the "Windows Shit Edition." Because of higherups wanting employees to learn their way around the Metro interface, I am not allowed to install Classic Shell for them and I feel bad about it.

I take it you work for MS?
 

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Lifer
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Working with this funny older gentleman who stands at probably 5'1" with a propensity to curse, he dubbed 8 the "Windows Shit Edition." Because of higherups wanting employees to learn their way around the Metro interface, I am not allowed to install Classic Shell for them and I feel bad about it.


Hehe what's hard about Metro especially tiles removing ,renaming them etc :eek: .

I can understand some people disliking Metro but it's far from rocket science.
 

Charlie98

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Windows 8 will end. the way windows Me did.Loll

Yea... I'm still smarting after ME, that was a nightmare.

I'm not a conspiracy geek or anything... but think about what they are doing. W7 turns out to be pretty solid, they introduce W8 and it's a marginal success but they still sell a bunch (particularly forcing it through OEM installs... ) so they sell a fix (8.1, ) and then a year or so later sell another fix (W9.) Plus, they EOS XP/Office'03... Reminds me of the '98/ME/XP cycle... thank goodness they didn't try a ME.1

I was almost temped to get a copy of W8.1, but I think I'll stick with W7 until W9 is proven.
 

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Yea... I'm still smarting after ME, that was a nightmare.

I'm not a conspiracy geek or anything... but think about what they are doing. W7 turns out to be pretty solid, they introduce W8 and it's a marginal success but they still sell a bunch (particularly forcing it through OEM installs... ) so they sell a fix (8.1, ) and then a year or so later sell another fix (W9.) Plus, they EOS XP/Office'03... Reminds me of the '98/ME/XP cycle... thank goodness they didn't try a ME.1

I was almost temped to get a copy of W8.1, but I think I'll stick with W7 until W9 is proven.


ME had nothing new over solid Win98 SE except more bugs ,XP was rough around the edges until the service packs came out,Vista was fine after SP1 and especially SP2,Win7 was just a faster version of Vista IMHO with less UAC nagging,even 7 got a service pack.





Nothing wrong with 8/8.1 unless you count disliking the UI/Metro but the OS is solid and stable, Win9 will probably follow the same way.

I hope Microsoft stay on three years cycle for new OS which seems about right to me,at the moment they can't make their minds up.
 
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ninaholic37

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I'm already bored with my Linux and Windows ,never know I might get a new OS down the road that does give me a challenge,no the start button menu missing does not count lol ...
:)
I don't think the point of an Operating System is to be a "challenging game". It's a back-end for running programs and should be easy to use and make sense out-of-the-box. If you're looking for entertainment, you should be looking at applications, like Brain/Mind games, that are specifically designed for that kind of thing. The idea that the OS itself is supposed to be "entertainment" or a "challenging game" is preposterous, it's just a tool to run your applications, it's main and only goal should be efficiency.
 

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I don't think the point of an Operating System is to be a "challenging game". It's a back-end for running programs and should be easy to use and make sense out-of-the-box. If you're looking for entertainment, you should be looking at applications, like Brain/Mind games, that are specifically designed for that kind of thing. The idea that the OS itself is supposed to be "entertainment" or a "challenging game" is preposterous, it's just a tool to run your applications, it's main and only goal should be efficiency.


Last OS that gave me a challenge was DOS,learning all the commands and autoexec.bat files etc,my real point is nowadays no Windows OS is hard and they are all very easy to use period.

As for a challenge I prefer online gaming ;) .
 

lxskllr

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I don't think the point of an Operating System is to be a "challenging game". It's a back-end for running programs and should be easy to use and make sense out-of-the-box. If you're looking for entertainment, you should be looking at applications, like Brain/Mind games, that are specifically designed for that kind of thing. The idea that the OS itself is supposed to be "entertainment" or a "challenging game" is preposterous, it's just a tool to run your applications, it's main and only goal should be efficiency.

That's not true. It's whatever you want it to be. The entertainment is learning new things. You can hack on it, submit bug reports, and learn it so you have a new tool in your box when an esoteric niche use pops up in the future.
 

PliotronX

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I don't think the point of an Operating System is to be a "challenging game". It's a back-end for running programs and should be easy to use and make sense out-of-the-box. If you're looking for entertainment, you should be looking at applications, like Brain/Mind games, that are specifically designed for that kind of thing. The idea that the OS itself is supposed to be "entertainment" or a "challenging game" is preposterous, it's just a tool to run your applications, it's main and only goal should be efficiency.
For a certain type of computer user it actually is *cough*nerds*cough*. That's too broad of a stroke to paint users of computers. I like to do stuff that Joe sixpack does not (exploit hardware and software to do things it may not have been designed to do). I find great joy in it. That said, there are versions of Linux that have been oriented towards user friendliness and 'efficiency in usage.' If everyone had the same thought process and intended use and beliefs and were basically clones of each other, I wouldn't want to live.
 

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That's not true. It's whatever you want it to be. The entertainment is learning new things. You can hack on it, submit bug reports, and learn it so you have a new tool in your box when an esoteric niche use pops up in the future.

And people do not want to learn an even (can be more efficient) interface that 8 and 8.1 provides?.... Which is greatly less tasking than having to run through some of the bare code hoops, debugging, and compiling.

Or not knowing you can run Visual Studio in all flavors (desktop, Windows app store mode, phone) to hack... or participate in Technet for such collaboration you mentioned (instead of just using MSDN for free Windows...).

But all in the entertainment of what? Doing things, to make sure one can do things that you needed to do? (and to do it all over again if someone in the higher up Linux chain decides to change things). This is the same thing on any operating system environment.

I remember having to do a song and dance of fixing drivers, finding the right ones, registry edits, etc, when I want to play a game. I don't find that fun. Especially when nowadays, doing so does not gain me much at all.
 

lxskllr

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But all in the entertainment of what? Doing things, to make sure one can do things that you needed to do? (and to do it all over again if someone in the higher up Linux chain decides to change things). This is the same thing on any operating system environment.
Things don't change that much in GNU/Linux, and if something does change, you can change it back, or switch to one of the other numerous tools available. It's not like devs are switching core features for the lulz. You get a little of that in userland, but userland is easy to fix.
 

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Things don't change that much in GNU/Linux, and if something does change, you can change it back, or switch to one of the other numerous tools available. It's not like devs are switching core features for the lulz. You get a little of that in userland, but userland is easy to fix.



Linux desktop is more customisable in general then Windows,big question is what will Microsoft do with Win9?...They are keen to stick with a hybrid OS so do they go for a revamp on UI or ditch Metro for something new?

I guess only time will tell.
 

pmv

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Yea... I'm still smarting after ME, that was a nightmare.

I'm not a conspiracy geek or anything... but think about what they are doing. W7 turns out to be pretty solid, they introduce W8 and it's a marginal success but they still sell a bunch (particularly forcing it through OEM installs... ) so they sell a fix (8.1, ) and then a year or so later sell another fix (W9.) Plus, they EOS XP/Office'03... Reminds me of the '98/ME/XP cycle... thank goodness they didn't try a ME.1

I was almost temped to get a copy of W8.1, but I think I'll stick with W7 until W9 is proven.

Never assign to a 'conspiracy' what is infinitely more likely to be a cock-up. Plus, wasn't 8.1 free to those with 8? So they weren't selling a fix in that instance.

So glad I didn't go with 8.1 for my new PC though - as it appears as if 8 has no real future - threshold and any fixes to the UI are going to be part of 9 instead. I expect 9 will still be largely metrofied, but hopefully they'll have melded it with the desktop better than they have with FrankenGUI 8, and I can happily switch to that when 7 goes EOS.
 

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For the record Win8 is no WinME,yes I've used both and its pure hate FUD on Win8 from anti-Win8 people,trust me nothing was as bad as WinME,Win8 is far from WinME level.
 

PliotronX

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For the record Win8 is no WinME,yes I've used both and its pure hate FUD on Win8 from anti-Win8 people,trust me nothing was as bad as WinME,Win8 is far from WinME level.
True, Win 8 is a different kind of eff-up. It is more stable than WinME ever was, but is bassackwards in usability on the desktop platform. WinME had improvements from predecessors, it didn't foist unification with f***ing tablets.
 
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