Windows 8.1 vs 7 help

shredz

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I'm building a new PC and ordered Windows 8.1 64 bit OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416776

I chose 8.1 because I thought I should get the latest and greatest OS. The problem is that I just found out that windows 8.1 forces you to use IE 11 which does not support an enterprise client that my wife uses at home for her work. After I started looking around I also saw people having mouse/lagging issues with 8.1 on older games.

My primary use is for games and entertainment (my wife has a laptop she can use for work if IE 11 never allows her work software). Should I be getting 7 or 8.1? And also, should I have bought the FULL VERSION of windows 8.1 instead of the OEM version I got? I can't tell what the difference is.
 

Berryracer

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OEM vs Retail is not an issue.

The Issue is 8.1

despite many updates, it is still a very fragile OS IMHO
 

shredz

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despite many updates, it is still a very fragile OS IMHO

I notice in your sig that you are using win 8.1? Have you had any programs/games not work? What do you think I should go with?

also, I thought the 8.1 versions were interchangeable but then saw this: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=-eSu5tD8HPD

"Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty."
 
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Berryracer

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I notice in your sig that you are using win 8.1? Have you had any programs/games not work? What do you think I should go with?

also, I thought the 8.1 versions were interchangeable but then saw this: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=-eSu5tD8HPD

"Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty."

Don't let the sig fool you bro.

I am forced to use Windows 8.1 because when I install the Windows 7 drivers for my laptop, 3D benchmarks are indeed higher, but then when I am in the 2D desktop, I noticed some lag, especially in the browser, say when I am scrolling up/down, something just doesn't feel right. Otherwise I would jump on Windows 7 right away!

Wanna know the unresolved issues with Windows 8.1? which probably noone even cares to fix?

1) As soon as you install Windows, where you do Windows updates or not, the bug is there which is:

Go to C:\Useers\YOURUSERNAME\ then try to cut the documents, music, videos, download folder, to a new folder in D: then paste them there

that will work great, your libraries will get updated, and the folders will move to D: where you specified.

now, try cutting/pasting the Pictures folder, and notice how the file transfer freezes, and the folder never gets moved.

the only way to move it is by going to Computer, right clicking on the Pictures Folder there, then choosing location, then click on the MOVE button, then specify the target from there.

Not a biggy, but how can an OS have such a silly bug?

2) Another bug is that often your icon cache will get cleared out and has to be refreshed again causing a bit of a delay when navigating through your folders.


Regarding the OEM license, here's a sotry for j00

I have Windows 7 Pro System Builders Edition that is tied to 1 computer usually.

I recently had my laptop motherboard fried so it was replaced under warranty, the next time I tried to activate my Windows 7 Pro, it didn't activate, a simple call to Microsoft, and they give you a manual activation ID to activate it. What's great, is if you actually save that activation ID, then format again in the future, the same activation ID will work to activate your Windows 7 Pro just fine provided you didn't change any hardware.

Bear in mind, when I activate, I have no drivers installed. If I do install the drivers, then the activation ID will differ. so you need to do that before you install any drivers and make an image of your HDD/SSD just incase you ever want to revert back to a clean state but not go through the hassle of downloading/installing the 700 MB worth of Windows updates
 

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There are no "bugs". Why would you move those folders anyway? You are supposed to move them via the move option, not cut and paste somewhere. This isn't XP. If Berryracer is having issues its more than likely rubbish laptop drivers (as usual). I've only had one crash a while back which I suspect was fixed with a deluge of updates the following week. No issues since. I'd say 8.1 isn't as mature as 7, but that's to be expected.

8.1 OEM is moveable, as is 8.
 

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I'm building a new PC and ordered Windows 8.1 64 bit OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416776

I chose 8.1 because I thought I should get the latest and greatest OS. The problem is that I just found out that windows 8.1 forces you to use IE 11 which does not support an enterprise client that my wife uses at home for her work. After I started looking around I also saw people having mouse/lagging issues with 8.1 on older games.

My primary use is for games and entertainment (my wife has a laptop she can use for work if IE 11 never allows her work software). Should I be getting 7 or 8.1? And also, should I have bought the FULL VERSION of windows 8.1 instead of the OEM version I got? I can't tell what the difference is.
should have gone with windows 7 IMHO.
 

shredz

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I haven't opened the package yet so I can still return it. That is why I'm asking.

Also, if I can't wait for mail to deliver windows 7 is there a way to download it then do a USB install and buy a license?
 

silicon

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I haven't opened the package yet so I can still return it. That is why I'm asking.

Also, if I can't wait for mail to deliver windows 7 is there a way to download it then do a USB install and buy a license?

try to google windows 7 download and there are some sites that let you download the OS and the email you the key...but IMHO its better to have the proper dvd in hand with the key on the box.
 

shredz

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I tried googling for a download without any success.

I have the windows 7 64 bit (not SP1) disk from my other computer. Can I buy a license and use that to install?
 
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TheRyuu

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After I started looking around I also saw people having mouse/lagging issues with 8.1 on older games.

They fixed this long ago.

Aside from IE11 as you've mentioned, I can't see it being any more or less compatible than Windows 7. I see no reason not to use 8.1 especially for "games and entertainment."
 

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Does anyone have any unresolved compatibility issues? That is my concern.


If you mean Win8.1 I've no issues personally.

I do a lot of gaming(every day)and quite happy with it,stability is excellent and so is speed ,can't really ask for much more,extra security improvements over 7 is always nice to have.
Mouse lag not had any issues myself in gaming both online or offline but as others have stated there is a patch fix if you need it.

All my Win7 software runs fine as well in 8.1.
Also be interesting to see how the next update, Win8.1 update 1 pans out on 8th April.


I'll say its far from a fragile OS IMHO infact very solid OS,mine was a clean install btw,I'm looking forward to Win9 however something new to play with.
 
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TheRyuu

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...there is a patch fix if you need it.

I believe the mouse fix itself is installed as part of a larger Windows 8.1 recommended update so the individual fix is no longer required (and will refuse to install).

I'll say its far from a fragile OS...

I don't see how it could be any more fragile than Windows 7 (and may in fact be less so).
 

shredz

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Thanks for all the input guys. I still don't know what to do. I needed to assemble the parts I got so I could test everything while still able to return. So I used win7 64 bit on trial basis (30 day) just to test it all out. System is working great but I can't help but think that I should give win 8.1 a try to get better performance. If there are no compatibility issues I really want to try it.

But, the IE11 thing is close to a deal breaker. I am asking my wife to try her work access on Chrome to see if it works ok.
 

shredz

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Well, looks like Chrome works for my wife's work access even though it isn't officially supported. So, looks like win 8.1 might be a go.
 

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Well, looks like Chrome works for my wife's work access even though it isn't officially supported. So, looks like win 8.1 might be a go.


Plenty of third party browsers you can try ie Firefox,Opera,Seamonkey to name a few.
 

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Well, looks like Chrome works for my wife's work access even though it isn't officially supported. So, looks like win 8.1 might be a go.


Also try compatibility mode in ie11, it works surprisingly well. May not work if something has to install and it looks for a version number. And if compat mode doesn't fully work you can go into the dev tools and force it to a specific number, probably more work than it's worth though.
 

shredz

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Also try compatibility mode in ie11, it works surprisingly well. May not work if something has to install and it looks for a version number. And if compat mode doesn't fully work you can go into the dev tools and force it to a specific number, probably more work than it's worth though.

Ok, I will try it if I install 8.1. Worth a shot. Chrome seemed to handle the work site just fine. yeah chrome!
 

saratoga172

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Using windows 8.1 at home and at work. For the sites we use that are not compatible with IE 11 I just put them into compatibility mode and/or trusted sites and that has fixed every one so far.

I also get tasked with solutions sometimes working in IT so that can be challenging and fun.

Overall no real complaints. Everything is compatible and working well for me. No lag when gaming and movies are smooth. Liking the enhancements over windows 7 personally. Only thing missing would be the start button and menu but you can get something like classic shell or start8 if you really miss it