Windows 10 steals your bandwidth, to save Microsoft money!

[TeknoBug]

I've noticed a sawtooth ticking 8kb/s of network usage when my PC is idling and task manager isn't showing what's using network. Weird and I have this disabled.

PS- found that svchost is sending/receiving data from llnw.net, that damn limewire thing, not sure how I can block it via Win 10 or should I do it through router.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I've been seeing around 50kbs outbound traffic as shown by my router and I'm not running anything.

 

[yinan]

I don't get what the big deal is. Just don't allow the traffic to go out via your firewall. And your firewall should be deny ip any any by default with only small holes poked as required.

 

[owensdj]

All you have to do is configure update sharing to use just your local network or turn if off completely.

 

[akugami]

For those saying you don't understand the commotion, it's about trust. If this is the type of shenanigans Microsoft pulls, then how do we trust them? I'm sure many would not mind turning on the sharing for the first week or so to help others get the Win10 download quicker. The problem is how MS sneaked it in there and how most people didn't even realize they were streaming the Win10 update to others.

I'm on Verizon FIOS at home and it's pretty much unmetered so I can take the hit, though I prefer to do it on my own terms. At work, we test a lot of machines for compatibility with our software and I was actually in the process of building a system to test the release build of Win10. Having it suck up our bandwidth is not acceptable especially when we zip large files back and forth between our partners and something like this would slow our connection with the rest of the world. A delay in sending updates or new test builds would cause delays in supporting customers. That is completely unacceptable.

 

[TeknoBug]

I don't get what the big deal is. Just don't allow the traffic to go out via your firewall. And your firewall should be deny ip any any by default with only small holes poked as required.

Yeah I went on my router/modem and blocked llnw.net and now I don't get that sawtooth 8kb/s tick anymore.

 

[lxskllr]

Yeah I went on my router/modem and blocked llnw.net and now I don't get that sawtooth 8kb/s tick anymore.

Some people seem to think this is normal behavior; jailing the system that's supposed to be working for the user. One shouldn't have to treat their O/S(that runs everything) like a common criminal.

 

[owensdj]

akugami I'm pretty sure it wasn't used for the Windows 10 upgrade. It's for Windows 10 updates after it's installed.

 

[tidy]

While I think the public setting is a recipe for disaster, the local setting is a good idea. In that case it conserves your bandwidth to potentially save you money.

 

[kmmatney]

Hmmm... I think this is overall a smart idea, but I don't remember seeing anything about this on while installing Win 10 on 3 of my systems. I left it on on my desktop PCs, but it would be stupid if it's enabled by default on my tablet.

It took me a while (and a lot of work) to get Windows 8 running to my liking - I'm sure Windows 10 will be the same.

 

[Ketchup]

I find it interesting that folks are getting all up in arms about this, and other options, that are VISIBLE options that CAN BE DISABLED right there in the GUI! Are we just looking for things to hate? Did you answer yes to everything during the install?

You can make an argument for the sharing options that are enabled by default. But I have not yet seen a strong argument for these things being hidden.

 

[SparkyJJO]

While I think the public setting is a recipe for disaster, the local setting is a good idea. In that case it conserves your bandwidth to potentially save you money.

It will neither save or cost me money either way I would set it (note I am not running win10 yet) since I'm not trying to run my PC over my cell phone data

 

[tidy]

It will neither save or cost me money either way I would set it (note I am not running win10 yet) since I'm not trying to run my PC over my cell phone data

Hence my careful use of the word "potentially". Data caps are still a reality for some people, and if one were to have, say, 5 PCs in one's household, then downloading each update only once could be genuinely helpful.

 

[SparkyJJO]

For sure, the local network sharing would be great for that. Or heck, even if you just had a slower connection not even metered it would be helpful to do it only once!

 

[Makaveli]

I tried toggling it to "PCs on my local network" and could no longer connect to the internet.

lol wut?

They should have defaulted to local network only, but otherwise you guys are overreacting IMO. Everyone with bandwidth caps should be thankful for the local network option, that is extremely helpful.

This just turn it to local network enough of the sky is falling OMG!!!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Intresting concept but I agree it should not be on by default. Perhaps they could slightly throttle the speed from their own servers and if you enable this option you get faster speed.

 

[JackMDS]

Maybe this can Help, Lets all Get it. = :whiste: - - :twisted: - :sneaky: - .


http://www.stopabductions.com/

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

All you are doing is seeding stop making such a big deal out of it. I agree it shouldn't be on by default but it isn't that bad.

Me and my 160GB bandwidth limit are making a big deal out of it.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Then turn it off! Geez.

 

[JujuFish]

Me and my 160GB bandwidth limit are making a big deal out of it.

That's disappointing, Mr. Pedantic.

 

[mikeymikec]

Sooner or later someone will learn to exploit this to send bad code to others. And MS isnt exactly a poor company that cant afford the bandwidth.

I have a similar feeling about it. If I used Win10 I'd disable that feature right off the bat (no doubt though in a newer version of Win10 MS will remove the option to disable it).

Having said that, I'm surprised that the Windows Update servers haven't been targeted by hackers yet, though I imagine that any attempt to subvert the Windows Update system would also have to employ a means of fooling clients into installed not-properly-signed updates.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't recall MS advertising using YOUR bandwidth to provide updates to other random people over the internet, rather than get their updates direct from MS.

Edit: Is MS going to pay your $1000 data overage bill from your cell provider, for your 3G/LTE tablet, that you just upgraded to Win10?

hahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.....OMG I just love the people who over react without thinking......

If Microsoft had turned it off at install VirtualLarry would be complaining that it is his choice to turn it odff or on...Microsoft cannot win with you!!

 

[WelshBloke]

Then turn it off and move on.

I don't get what the big deal is. Just don't allow the traffic to go out via your firewall. And your firewall should be deny ip any any by default with only small holes poked as required.

The point is that I shouldnt have to wait for these things to come to light on the internet to know to go and disable them.

Or am I supposed to go though every setting and option on every PC I own?

Stuff like this should be opt in.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

That's disappointing, Mr. Pedantic.

You're quite right.

My 160GB data cap and I are making a big deal of it.

Happy?

 

[cmdrdredd]

The point is that I shouldnt have to wait for these things to come to light on the internet to know to go and disable them.

Or am I supposed to go though every setting and option on every PC I own?

Stuff like this should be opt in.

When I installed Windows 10 it asked me if I wanted to let it do the setup or customize. I clicked customize and many settings people complain about are there.