Window 10 Redstone 4

[JackMDS]

For those of us who like the plan the future rather than keep complaining about the Classic Menus.

Window 10 Redstone 4 is the next big Upgrade and would come on march/April 2018.

Here is a summary of what is expected.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ng-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17063-pc/

What caught my attention was something toward the end (under Other notable changes).

A note about HomeGroup ......today’s build you’ll start to see us retire the HomeGroup service.....

Here are recommended alternatives to HomeGroup for you to get the best file-sharing experience in Windows 10 going forward:
"File Storage:
OneDrive is a cloud-first, cross-device storage and collaboration platform for all of the pieces of data that matter most in your life – like your files, your photos, your videos, and more.
OneDrive Files On-Demand takes cloud file storage a step further, allowing you to access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device.
Share Functionality: For those who prefer not to use the Cloud to connect their devices, the Share functionality for folders and printers allows you to see the available devices and connect them to and from other PCs on your home network.
Easier Connection: No more remembering cryptic HomeGroup passwords in order to connect to another PC. You can now simply connect through your Microsoft Account email address across devices".
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Most of my systems are used for both personal and work related activities, so I always disable HomeGroup on my Win 10 installations.

However, most of home users do use HomeGroup. Thus it is important to be aware of this development.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This is BULL. Typical Net-Neutrality-style violation. Though, I'm not technically certain it is, because both offerings are from them. But it appears, that for the home users, they will be down-playing "Windows File Sharing" (or even require you to now buy a Pro or Enterprise SKU to use it!), and forcing the mere users to OneDrive's online cloud garbage.

Hint: MS, I don't use OneDrive, I have my "own cloud", my NAS units that work very well, thank you, and don't require all of my data passing through MS's servers.

They are just choking their users tighter and tighter, aren't they?

 

[UsandThem]

This is BULL. Typical Net-Neutrality-style violation. Though, I'm not technically certain it is, because both offerings are from them. But it appears, that for the home users, they will be down-playing "Windows File Sharing" (or even require you to now buy a Pro or Enterprise SKU to use it!), and forcing the mere users to OneDrive's online cloud garbage.

Hint: MS, I don't use OneDrive, I have my "own cloud", my NAS units that work very well, thank you, and don't require all of my data passing through MS's servers.

They are just choking their users tighter and tighter, aren't they?

I knew they would start doing this sooner or later. I understand from a business standpoint on forcing things like OneDrive down users throats, but from a consumer standpoint it stinks.

I noticed another thing they started doing a few updates back. Just go into settings - personalization - themes - get more themes from in the store. They now force you to have a Microsoft Account to get them this way. (although you can get them without an account by going directly to the webpage).

 

[JackMDS]

In General I agree with you guys.

That said, I am OK with HomeGroup gone because the Regular IPv4 sharing is good too. I doubt that Home users would have so many computers and Network Devices that needs IPv6 on their LAN.

 

[RLGL]

Home group, no loss,didn't use it any way. Did it the old fashioned way

 

[corkyg]

Me too - never used HG - my LAN worked perfectly so why change.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I hope that this update doesn't kill classic shell.

 

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[mikeymikec]

Homegroup was implemented quite poorly, but the idea was a sound one: To make it easy for novice users to share files on a local network. Alternatively MS could implement the Windows file sharing service with a UI that doesn't reek of one pile of poorly-designed crap layered on another and left to ferment, but I guess that's not going to happen because they've got some OneDrive capacity to sell.

 

[JackMDS]

I hope that this update doesn't kill classic shell.

Hmm.. Not sure they are waiting for Christmas. Apparently JC and his friends develop it in Dec. 24, 0022 and it is their call. - -

 

[UsandThem]

Homegroup was implemented quite poorly, but the idea was a sound one: To make it easy for novice users to share files on a local network. Alternatively MS could implement the Windows file sharing service with a UI that doesn't reek of one pile of poorly-designed crap layered on another and left to ferment, but I guess that's not going to happen because they've got some OneDrive capacity to sell.

Agreed. It has has felt like they added Homegroup on a whim, and it just was always a clunky design.

 

[Ketchup]

I always wondered how many "novice" users out there even cared about sharing files on their local network. Most of the ones I know just use flash drives.

 

[JackMDS]

I always wondered how many "novice" users out there even cared about sharing files on their local network. Most of the ones I know just use flash drives.

QFT. Same here.

Why?

I. It is too complicated to learn for None Techs.

2. Using Flash drive gives a sense of privacy. I.e., my parents, or and Siblings do not have a Door to my content.

 

[corkyg]

Ah, yes! The old "sneaker net." I still do that.

 

[Ketchup]

Timeline looks interesting, although I wonder if it's going to work on apps outside of MS. My guess is no.

 

[JackMDS]

At the moment it does Not working with many MS Apps either.

In the future it seems to be an Open question.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-newest-windows-10-test-build-includes-timeline-feature/

 

[crashtech]

I've always uninstalled OneDrive without a second thought, as other methods serve me well. This news seems to indicate that OneDrive will become one of those apps that can't easily be removed.

 

[mikeymikec]

I've always uninstalled OneDrive without a second thought, as other methods serve me well. This news seems to indicate that OneDrive will become one of those apps that can't easily be removed.

If that happens, I wonder if MS will be heading back to court for monopolistic abuses again.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Timeline seems interesting and it can be disabled and history can be deleted.
But i worry and on the other hand am pleased that timeline is a part of onedrive that allows you to go use it on any windows 10 system.
Just log in on a different system and all your works is present again. That means that all your data and the information about what apps you have used is sent to onedrive cloudservers.
The idea seems interesting but that also means that any activity will be logged and send to the cloud server.
Sets seems to be part of this.

It reminds me strong of services Apple provides.

Also, with windows, the internet explorer alwas was a big part of windows. With edge this is not going to change.
Makes me remember of windows 98 and all the security issues that happened back then with internet explorer.

All the cortana changes seem interesting. Can be handy now and then.

When reading about it, windows settings maybe finally turning slowly but surely in control panel again.
One central place for all settings is just best IMHO.
I sure hope microsoft continues that point of view.


What do you guys think of the registry process ?
This registry process compresses the registry data and i am sure it encrypts it as well.
I get that impression because from the text i understand that the registry data was previously held in kernel memory space and now is held in memory space of the registry process.
Or am i seeing this wrong ?

 

[crashtech]

...When reading about it, windows settings maybe finally turning slowly but surely in control panel again.
One central place for all settings is just best IMHO.
I sure hope microsoft continues that point of view...

Is this so? I was under the impression that the Control Panel was on the way to being deprecated. I've actually been forcing myself to use more of the functionality in "Settings," to prepare for that eventuality.

With Windows 10, I've been consciously trying to accept the OS as-is for the most part, so that my ability to help others is kept up to date.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Is this so? I was under the impression that the Control Panel was on the way to being deprecated. I've actually been forcing myself to use more of the functionality in "Settings," to prepare for that eventuality.

With Windows 10, I've been consciously trying to accept the OS as-is for the most part, so that my ability to help others is kept up to date.

Well, it is what i am hoping for.
A consistent place where all settings are sorted in one place is much more convenient than having some settings here and some settings there.
With control panel everything can be found there.
With the windows settings, one ends up usually for advanced functions again in the control panel or in settings menus that are found in control panel.
It is as if someone at microsoft discovered hyperlinks and shortcuts...