Win8: I swear, I DO shut it down properly!

Comdrpopnfresh

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I keep seeing ~"windows was not properly shut down" in reliability report on a recent win8 build. I have disabled hybrid sleep and set hibernate to never. The times it is reporting... I swear the computer isn't even on to be shut down for some of them.

i5 3570k (turbo multi set to 41/40/39/38; allows for 4/3.9/3.8/3.7gHz turbos [not hitting the right speed on this setting is another issue])
2x4gb gskill DDR3-12800 @ (stock, XMP-1600 profile) 9-9-9-24 & 1.25V (it is LV part)
OCZ agility3 120gb (fw=2.25)
ASUS P8Z77-M

Temps are great, voltages steady + great: no error messages on startup or displayed anywhere at all to the end user (besides if you go fishing in the reliability history). It was bothering me to get this from the get-go, even more that it continues even after I have effectively disabled fast startup.
 

Bubbaleone

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You'll get detailed info as to what devices are involved in the bad shutdowns by opening Event Viewer and checking through the Administrative event and Windows logs.
 

Comdrpopnfresh

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Supposedly, WP8 systems never fully shutdown, even if you don't enable and use Smart Connect. The issue was my shutting down the PC and then switching off the power strip to avoid vampire energy draw from the PSU.
 

piasabird

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Windows 8 has issues with video drivers. Especially with older motherboards. Windows 8.1 also has video issues with older hardware that people might consider fairly new. I tried Win 8 but found it to be too buggy with my socket 775 motherboard with integrated video.
 

Virgorising

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Windows 8 has issues with video drivers. Especially with older motherboards. Windows 8.1 also has video issues with older hardware that people might consider fairly new. I tried Win 8 but found it to be too buggy with my socket 775 motherboard with integrated video.


Boy, is this INTERESTING! "Buggy/issues." For me, nuthin but net re W8. Forget, gratuitous, insulting, not viable for serious computer users, lame, dog and pony..... crappola.
 
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Virgorising

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Supposedly, WP8 systems never fully shutdown, even if you don't enable and use Smart Connect. The issue was my shutting down the PC and then switching off the power strip to avoid vampire energy draw from the PSU.


"Vampire energy draw" HIGH MARKS.:D

I too pull the cord of the strip from the wall after shutting down a system.
 

Comdrpopnfresh

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Boy, is this INTERESTING! "Buggy/issues." For me, nuthin but net re W8. Forget, gratuitous, insulting, not viable for serious computer users, lame, dog and pony..... crappola.

The only buggy thing I had in a similar system was a slaughterhouse for Vertex2's I kept putting in... who knew? I have win8 running on a single-core Pentium m Toshiba, where win7 would not install. The only issue I have is the inability to get into the BIOS now.
 

Virgorising

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The only buggy thing I had in a similar system was a slaughterhouse for Vertex2's I kept putting in... who knew? I have win8 running on a single-core Pentium m Toshiba, where win7 would not install. The only issue I have is the inability to get into the BIOS now.


Well.....very impressive you were able to kinda load 8 in that older, single core PM Toshiba lappy.

But for me, unplugging a system from the A/C after shutting it down (Yes, to STARVE the VAMPIRE:sneaky:) creating any kinda problem, is counter intuitive. After all, our computers are not cable boxes which want to be connected to power ongoing to retain their programming.
 
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Comdrpopnfresh

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Well.....very impressive you were able to kinda load 8 in that older, single core PM Toshiba lappy.

But for me, unplugging a system from the A/C after shutting it down (Yes, to STARVE the VAMPIRE:sneaky:) creating any kinda problem, is counter intuitive. After all, our computers are not cable boxes which want to be connected to power ongoing to retain their programming.

Very much agreed! I built the desktop with a balance of performance/price/efficiency in mind, but was very dismayed by the number of entries in the event log whenever I unplugged it after shutting down (once I caught on to this). I don't have any PCI-e devices besides WLAN in the PC, don't have Intel Smart-Connect enabled, and made the build with LV-DDR3, an SSD, and a Gold-rated PSU... that, and the fact that over ~65% of the main-use lighting in my home is now efficient LED-lit allows me to sleep well without unplugging the strip the PC is on...

Plus, I recognize that unplugging a DVR interrupts intermittent updating of the guide/scheduling and places spin-up/down wear on the HDD, and the desktop I've built run on over 40% less energy with over 15-20% the performance of a comparable system. That's not to say I haven't looked into plug-in inverters for utilizing wind/solar (from the flare you've expressed, I bet you feel similarly [let's not delve into bitcoin mining]) energy capture.

I've made a fairly mindful transformation from bleeding-edge performance to reasonable performance increases with sight of energy consumption when planning improvements/upgrades and also reading reviews.
 

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Very much agreed! I built the desktop with a balance of performance/price/efficiency in mind, but was very dismayed by the number of entries in the event log whenever I unplugged it after shutting down (once I caught on to this). I don't have any PCI-e devices besides WLAN in the PC, don't have Intel Smart-Connect enabled, and made the build with LV-DDR3, an SSD, and a Gold-rated PSU... that, and the fact that over ~65% of the main-use lighting in my home is now efficient LED-lit allows me to sleep well without unplugging the strip the PC is on...

Plus, I recognize that unplugging a DVR interrupts intermittent updating of the guide/scheduling and places spin-up/down wear on the HDD, and the desktop I've built run on over 40% less energy with over 15-20% the performance of a comparable system. That's not to say I haven't looked into plug-in inverters for utilizing wind/solar (from the flare you've expressed, I bet you feel similarly [let's not delve into bitcoin mining]) energy capture.

I've made a fairly mindful transformation from bleeding-edge performance to reasonable performance increases with sight of energy consumption when planning improvements/upgrades and also reading reviews.


First, I am now moved with unalloyed happiness, to share, among the things I LOVE in life, learning and being able to contribute, may be the top two.:biggrin:

While at first I thought, “This must be an illusion, it’s too good to be true, protect yourself from buying into this amazing, so you don get hurt,” in the relatively short time I have been active on this site, I have already learned more than I EVER thought possible, simply because this place is uniquely populated by more brilliant, KIND, enriched, ELEGANT, AMAZING, GENEROUS humans than I can STILL believe. (And, the pain/tension=generating small contingency of assaultive malcontents I first encountered:|, seems to have disappeared!)

I MEAN IT. It is sooo nourishing, so thrilling. I wish all of life were more like this community!!!!!:biggrin:

And in YOUR meticulously evolved chops for living green and starving “
The vampire,' I think U could win sumthin! A Grammy at the very least!!! A Small Golden ATX Statue with Acanthus leaves. Sumthin!:cool:

Next, U bet, I went too fast seeing the “M” in Pentium M…..and stupidly got the system must be a lappy.

I am still using CFLs, still have half a carton (I always got them on eBay). My feeling despite I do know the advantages, is the LEDs are not finished evolving, plus, even tho, even now, U save over time, they are off the hook expensive, esp for the lumens I like in all lamps, cause I like lots of light.

YOU should be running some division in Consolidated Edison or other energy provider. Not that even you could bear/ get around the head exploding truth re America’s grid is anachronistic/ outdated by around a thousand years and the net impact of that.

Next, I am blown away you monitor logs. I hate logs. Partly, because I do not understand their content a lot, and so, am intimidated by them.

Good part, cause I determined long ago, to learn everything I could/can about my computers, make enlightened choices, etc. to preclude needing others to bail me out and preclude issues and the terror and feelings of helplessness they generate, and just being here, I am getting, while that is an infinite work in progress, I have actually managed to do that in real ways…..I mostly have no need to even look at logs. I think I might even have turned logging off in this new/used system.. Prolly not a good thing.

All of which leads me to this: I am not convinced whatever it is you saw in yr logs you attributed to issues unplugging yr systems from power source after proper shut down of windows……is attributable to the unplugging. My go to system of the moment AND ALL ITS PERIPHERALS ARE PLUGGED INTO MY SURGE PROTECTOR STRIP….. Even screens and printers continue to draw power after shut down short of unplugging.
Next, I delved a bit, and came upon this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090804075144AAmQf3X

Now that you are keeping yr award winning, energy efficient system plugged in ongoing, I guess you have no logs showing what you felt were accounts of bad things owing to unplugging, but boy, I would love it if you could put some of those up here, so that helpers here who understand their content in ways I do not, could peruse those and offer opinions!
 
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Comdrpopnfresh

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The log entries stopped when the desktop was left plugged in. I think it is because it is equipped w/ intel smart connect. Pretty sure I even disabled it in the BIOS, and the log entries still appeared when unplugging.
Yeah- I am not an advocate of junking perfectly working electronics for the sake of moderate efficiency gains. LCDs are tech that pits features against itself though; if you want deeper blacks, the overall brightness decreases and the backlight is more heavily shuttered, wasting the energy going into that source: with LEDs, this is much less impactful than with a fluorescent backlight. I have an LCD TV, and turn off the deep blacks so the native brightness appears increased.
 

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I have a different approach, and have never run into OP's stated shut down problem. I have three EZ-Swap 4 trayless racks installed. The top one is Win 8.1, and the bottom two are Win 7. In this image, 8.1 is connected and ON. The two Win 7's are ajar and OFF. You can call this a hardware multiboot solution. I have a second 8.1 drive (duplicate) in a mylar bag that can be swapped with the one now running. They are identical.

EZSwap4d.jpg


When the drive is not in use it has no power - totally disconnected.
 
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The Day Dreamer

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Check your hard disk wire. Same happened with me, and after replacing wire, it got sovled. I hope it helps.